Grade Jason Campbell

[Crat92]

I give JC a B+. All he needs is more reps with the 1st team. He can make ALL the throws necessary to be a successful NFL QB, plus he has mobility. All in due time. He's only had 7 starts. I'm excited about next year's offense!

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

vote and discuss, here are his numbers for his 7 starts this year

att: 207
comp: 110
%: 53.1
yds: 1297
TD: 10
INT: 6
rate: 76.5

Also:

23 rushes, 112 yards (4.89 ypc) -- know this isn't a primary stat and he's no Mike Vick, but it does give another dimension to the numbers. Note that last year Brunell had 42 rushes for 111 yards (2.64 ypc)

Projected to a full season, Jason's numbers would look like this:

ATT: 472
CMP: 251
PCT: 53.1%
YDS: 2964
TD: 22.8
INT: 13.7
(don't have a good rating calculator handy, but I assume it would remain consistent)
RSH: 52
YDS: 256

This puts him the Grossman-Rivers-McNair-Losman tier with regards to passing stats (though his % complete is down in Bruce Gradkowski territory). His rushing numbers would be on par with an Aaron Brooks or David Garrard. Again, not Vick-like (or even McNabb-like) numbers, but not a statue in the pocket either.

[dgack]

Also, just for the sake of grading his progression, here is his QB rating each week (number in parentheses is ranking of that team's pass defense)

Wk 11 vs Tampa: 92.3 (19)
Wk 12 vs Carolina: 74.2 (5)
Wk 13 vs Atlanta: 52.2 (26)
Wk 14 vs Philly: 57.9 (10)
Wk 15 vs New Orleans: 83.0 (3)
Wk 16 vs St. Louis: 82.2 (8)
Wk 17 vs Giants: 96.2 (28)

[dgack]

Originally Posted by dgack

Also, just for the sake of grading his progression, here is his QB rating each week (number in parentheses is ranking of that team's pass defense)

Wk 11 vs Tampa: 92.3 (19)
Wk 12 vs Carolina: 74.2 (5)
Wk 13 vs Atlanta: 52.2 (26)
Wk 14 vs Philly: 57.9 (10)
Wk 15 vs New Orleans: 83.0 (3)
Wk 16 vs St. Louis: 82.2 (8)
Wk 17 vs Giants: 96.2 (28)

Here's more comparisons of current NFL QB's in their first 7 games as the starter:

Chad Pennington ('02) First 7 Games as starter
Wk 5 vs KC: 108.3
Wk 6 vs Minnesota: 124.7
Wk 7 vs Cleveland: 101.9
Wk 8 vs San Diego: 102.6
Wk 9 vs Miami: 80.3
Wk 10 vs Detroit: 126.9
Wk 11 vs Buffalo: 99.0

Season Stats: 275/399 (68.9%) - 3120yd - 22TD - 6 INT - 104.2 rating

Carson Palmer ('04) First 7 Games as starter
Wk 1 vs Jets: 105.2
Wk 2 vs Miami: 53.5
Wk 3 vs Ravens: 43.4
Wk 4 vs Steelers: 52.1
Wk 5 vs Browns: 63.2
Wk 6 vs Denver: 85.0
Wk 7 vs Titans: 65.4

Season Stats: 263/432 (60.9%) - 2897yd - 18TD - 18 INT - 77.3 rating

Matt Leinart ('06) First 7 Games as starter
Wk 5 vs KC: 91.7
Wk 6 vs Chicago: 88.6
Wk 7 vs Oakland: 36.3
Wk 8 vs Green Bay: 51.7
Wk 9 vs Dallas: 47.7
Wk 10 vs Detroit: 101.7
Wk 11 vs Minnesota: 76.0

Season Stats: 214/377 (56.8%) - 2547yd - 11TD - 12 INT - 74.0 rating

There are plenty of other young QB's you can dig up who had pretty bad first years (I posted a comparison of Jason's first season to Peyton's first season a while back), and went on to become really outstanding. Jason's QB rating through his first 7 games is pretty good, IMO -- smack in the middle of Leinart/Palmer territory, and for my money, I'm extremely happy with that.

I know a lot of guys here are saying they have astronomical expectations for the kid next year, and I think we all want to have those, but I don't think it's that uncommon for a good QB to take an extra year to develop fully. I just hope when that happens, Jason is still wearing burgundy and gold.

[GoSkins!]

I gave him a B. While his stats appear to show him as an average QB, I think that there are a few things that I take into account that make me very happy with his performance.

1. The other QBs who's stats are listed for comparison (thanks dgack) didn't start as the third team QB with virtually no practice reps with the first team offense. Campbell did very well under that senario.

2. Some QBs fall apart under pressure or after they screw up (like throwing an INT). Campbell has shown remarkable resilience under those circumstances. He appears to thrive under pressure and gains focus after mistakes. Although he appears quite and poised, this shows how competative he really is.

3. He keeps his eyes down field even when he is under pressure and still has the physical skills and feel for the game to make things happen with his feet. He has done it every game and defenses have to respect that or they get burned.

How he will fair in grasping the entire offense, looking off receivers, throwing accuracy.... that is all up in the air, but the things listed above we now know about him. I'm pretty happy. (So lets fix the defense!)

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by dgack

Here's more comparisons of current NFL QB's in their first 7 games as the starter:

Chad Pennington ('02) First 7 Games as starter
Wk 5 vs KC: 108.3
Wk 6 vs Minnesota: 124.7
Wk 7 vs Cleveland: 101.9
Wk 8 vs San Diego: 102.6
Wk 9 vs Miami: 80.3
Wk 10 vs Detroit: 126.9
Wk 11 vs Buffalo: 99.0

Season Stats: 275/399 (68.9%) - 3120yd - 22TD - 6 INT - 104.2 rating

Carson Palmer ('04) First 7 Games as starter
Wk 1 vs Jets: 105.2
Wk 2 vs Miami: 53.5
Wk 3 vs Ravens: 43.4
Wk 4 vs Steelers: 52.1
Wk 5 vs Browns: 63.2
Wk 6 vs Denver: 85.0
Wk 7 vs Titans: 65.4

Season Stats: 263/432 (60.9%) - 2897yd - 18TD - 18 INT - 77.3 rating

Matt Leinart ('06) First 7 Games as starter
Wk 5 vs KC: 91.7
Wk 6 vs Chicago: 88.6
Wk 7 vs Oakland: 36.3
Wk 8 vs Green Bay: 51.7
Wk 9 vs Dallas: 47.7
Wk 10 vs Detroit: 101.7
Wk 11 vs Minnesota: 76.0

Season Stats: 214/377 (56.8%) - 2547yd - 11TD - 12 INT - 74.0 rating

There are plenty of other young QB's you can dig up who had pretty bad first years (I posted a comparison of Jason's first season to Peyton's first season a while back), and went on to become really outstanding. Jason's QB rating through his first 7 games is pretty good, IMO -- smack in the middle of Leinart/Palmer territory, and for my money, I'm extremely happy with that.

I know a lot of guys here are saying they have astronomical expectations for the kid next year, and I think we all want to have those, but I don't think it's that uncommon for a good QB to take an extra year to develop fully. I just hope when that happens, Jason is still wearing burgundy and gold.

With Palmer he was named the starter right after his 1st season so he got all the off season work. I think Jason is going to be fine going into next year. Off season work is where it all starts and that is why Peyton is so on point with his WR's. Moss, LLoyd and ARE had better be here during the off season if they expect to get better.

[hooskins]

Like what he said above, for his circumstances Campbell has done above average. But there is room for improvement.

Needs to works on short routes and quick throws because he still seems to be a few steps behind the D. It is almost like he needs people to be WIDE open(except on Fly routes) to throw it to them.

He also needs to work on cutting down the windup and somehow see if that stance can be altered. Any extra seconds are good for a young QB.

Kid needs to learn how to slide, or he is gonna get his head taken off.

[ncskinsfanec]

A solid B+ from me! I think this kid might be the real deal!

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

A solid B+ from me! I think this kid might be the real deal!

We're not grading on potential, we're grading on performance.

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by jsarno

We're not grading on potential, we're grading on performance.

I say B for performance. He added some new life to the team once he got in there. It was painful to watch the offense dink and dunk it with the over-the-hill Brunell, Campbell's play was very refreshing to see.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by jsarno

We're not grading on potential, we're grading on performance.

True, but I'm grading his performance as a second-year player starting in a timing offense in the middle of the season. In absolute terms it's a C-. Given the context I just mentioned, I think it's a B+.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by dgack

Also, just for the sake of grading his progression, here is his QB rating each week (number in parentheses is ranking of that team's pass defense)

Wk 11 vs Tampa: 92.3 (19)
Wk 12 vs Carolina: 74.2 (5)
Wk 13 vs Atlanta: 52.2 (26)
Wk 14 vs Philly: 57.9 (10)
Wk 15 vs New Orleans: 83.0 (3)
Wk 16 vs St. Louis: 82.2 (8)
Wk 17 vs Giants: 96.2 (28)

Hey, Dgak...can you run those numbers for Vince Young, T. Romo, and Rivers over the same seven games?

[dgack]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Hey, Dgak...can you run those numbers for Vince Young, T. Romo, and Rivers over the same seven games?

For the sake of apples-to-apples, I'll compare them for their first 7 NFL starts, rather than over the same 7 weeks in the NFL (wasn't sure if that's what you were asking or not).

In order, best to worst (note, does not include final stats for week 16 games)

T.Romo First 7 Starts
Week 7 vs Carolina: 86.6
Week 8 vs Washington: 109.0
Week 9 vs Arizona: 126.8
Week 10 vs Indianapolis: 89.5
Week 11 vs Tampa: 148.9
Week 12 vs Giants: 58.1
Week 13 vs New Orleans: 58.8

Season stats: 197-305 (64.6%), 2582yd, 17TD, 12INT, 93.5 rating

P.Rivers First 7 Starts
Week 1 vs Oakland: 133.9
Week 2 vs Tennessee: 99.1
Week 3 vs Baltimore: 75.0
Week 4 vs Pittsburgh: 90.1
Week 5 vs San Fran: 116.8
Week 6 vs Kansas City: 82.1
Week 7 vs St. Louis: 108.2

Season stats: 265-436 (60.8%), 3157yd, 20TD, 8INT, 90.5 rating

V.Young First 7 Starts
Week 4 vs Dallas: 47.3
Week 5 vs Indianapolis: 34.4
Week 6 vs Washington: 85.6
Week 7 vs Houston: 87.4
Week 8 vs Jacksonville: 30.2
Week 9 vs Baltimore: 63.9
Week 10 vs Philadelphia: 66.7

Season stats: 169-321 (52.6%), 1972yd, 12TD, 11INT, 69.7 rating


He finished better than Vince Young. Romo started off on fire but has pretty much imploded as the season progressed. Rivers has been consistently good, though I wouldn't call his play spectacular, and he has the luxury of the best and most durable player in the league lining up at RB.

[onlydarksets]

I gave him a B+ (which wasn't an option). He's making the mistakes I would expect him to (like not sliding - man, that was scary), and he is showing flashes of greatness (TD pass to Moss a couple weeks back). All this with minimal first team practice. My expectations next season, however, are going to be through the roof compared to this season.

[riggoraider]

As of his quaterback play in general I would have to give Campbell a "C-" his play last night brought his grade up but as far as potential I would give him an "B" to an "B+"