Sean Taylor struggling???

[celts32]

Honestly, Taylor was absolutely terrible this year. Missed tackles poor coverage...he regressed so much. If that guy was not drafted so high by the Redskins he would have been on the bench or cut already. I don't think he had a good game all year other than Carolina.

[Redskin]

Originally Posted by celts32

Honestly, Taylor was absolutely terrible this year. Missed tackles poor coverage...he regressed so much. If that guy was not drafted so high by the Redskins he would have been on the bench or cut already. I don't think he had a good game all year other than Carolina.

Who on the defense was good this year? Stars need help to get things done becuase they cant do it all themselves. This is a terrible thread so what if the guy had an off year i think it reflects the defenses performance as a whole.

[riggoraider]

Originally Posted by Redskin

Who on the defense was good this year? Stars need help to get things done becuase they cant do it all themselves. This is a terrible thread so what if the guy had an off year i think it reflects the defenses performance as a whole.

Why is it that when someone does not agree with someone elses opinion the whole thread becomes terrible?

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by riggoraider

Why is it that when someone does not agree with someone elses opinion the whole thread becomes terrible?

When a thread is based on a misunderstanding of fundamentals, the thread is typically terrible.

[riggoraider]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

When a thread is based on a misunderstanding of fundamentals, the thread is typically terrible.

Could you please tell me what you think was misunderstood here?

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by riggoraider

Could you please tell me what you think was misunderstood here?

Sean Taylor has missed many plays (as has every single player on every single defense in the NFL). To say that he is a marginal player is a statement made by someone who does not understand the fundamentals of the game. Taylor led the team in tackles this year and he is the only DB in the top 10 for the NFC. Anytime and everytime a safety leads a team in tackling, you have a bad defense.

A good defense is going to be defined by the play of it's front seven. If you wanted to break it down even more you would say that the d line is more important than the linebackers. I was in the 5th row during the Carolina game. It was amazing how good Taylor and Rogers looked in that game. Why was that? Maybe they just decided to play that day, or maybe the fact that the line pressured Delhomme the entire game had more to do with it.

The bottom line is that Taylor is involved in too many plays. Why is he involved so much, because the front seven has been so poor and his range is as good as any DB in the league. You want Taylor cleaning up the mess not having to stop a runningback with a full head of steam who has not been touched by the time he gets to the secondary.

I guarantee that if they figure out how to stop the run, get a pass rusher and get some consistent linebacker play, the same people who gave up on Taylor (and also annoit a new team for the ages every week) will be saying how much better he is and how they are so happy we drafted him because he is the best safety ever.

[riggoraider]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Sean Taylor has missed many plays (as has every single player on every single defense in the NFL). To say that he is a marginal player is a statement made by someone who does not understand the fundamentals of the game. Taylor led the team in tackles this year and he is the only DB in the top 10 for the NFC. Anytime and everytime a safety leads a team in tackling, you have a bad defense.

A good defense is going to be defined by the play of it's front seven. If you wanted to break it down even more you would say that the d line is more important than the linebackers. I was in the 5th row during the Carolina game. It was amazing how good Taylor and Rogers looked in that game. Why was that? Maybe they just decided to play that day, or maybe the fact that the line pressured Delhomme the entire game had more to do with it.

The bottom line is that Taylor is involved in too many plays. Why is he involved so much, because the front seven has been so poor and his range is as good as any DB in the league. You want Taylor cleaning up the mess not having to stop a runningback with a full head of steam who has not been touched by the time he gets to the secondary.

I guarantee that if they figure out how to stop the run, get a pass rusher and get some consistent linebacker play, the same people who gave up on Taylor (and also annoit a new team for the ages every week) will be saying how much better he is and how they are so happy we drafted him because he is the best safety ever.

I agree with some of your points especially the one that stated Taylor would not be in the top 10 in tackles if it was not for our play up front.

If we find a good CB this off season to go along with Springs and if Prioleau plays good strong safety we will probably be looking for Taylor to be more agressive against the running game next season so some of his duties will be to stop runningbacks. I think that if he plays with "controlled aggression" he could be mentioned in the same breath with player like Ed Reed and Troy Palamalou.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

When a thread is based on a misunderstanding of fundamentals, the thread is typically terrible.

sorry that my football knowledge isn't as great as the magnificent grimreapers, but I'm glad you want to talk about fundamentals. isn't tackling a football fundamental? right now, i don't think Sean Taylor could tackle me. isn't pass coverage keeping the opposition in front of you? Taylor still trying to peek into the backfield, as every tom, dick, and harry goes blowing by him. and the biggest fundamental a safety learns in pop warner, is don't let anyone behind you. anyone have a guess on how many times this has happened this season? the defense being horrible isn't all Sean Taylors fault. but no way he gets a free pass. he was just as bad as everyone else

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by dmek25

sorry that my football knowledge isn't as great as the magnificent grimreapers, but I'm glad you want to talk about fundamentals. isn't tackling a football fundamental? right now, i don't think Sean Taylor could tackle me. isn't pass coverage keeping the opposition in front of you? Taylor still trying to peek into the backfield, as every tom, dick, and harry goes blowing by him. and the biggest fundamental a safety learns in pop warner, is don't let anyone behind you. anyone have a guess on how many times this has happened this season? the defense being horrible isn't all Sean Taylors fault. but no way he gets a free pass. he was just as bad as everyone else

My three year old could tackle you.

You were the one who labled Taylor as a marginal player. Own up to your misguided claim.

Marginal players don't get NFC players of the week.

[The Huddle]

It is obvious Taylor suffers from being on a bad defense, but I do think he is often out of postion and misses too many tackles going for knock out hits. He has the potential to be a great player, but I do not think he is one yet.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

My three year old could tackle you.

You were the one who labled Taylor as a marginal player. Own up to your misguided claim.

Marginal players don't get NFC players of the week.

first off, I'm 6'2" 245lbs, so i don't think your 3 year old would be tackling me anytime soon.
secondly, right now, in my eyes, Taylor is a marginal NFL player
and lastly, how many times has Taylor been player of the week? can you name one game, other then the Carolina game, when Taylor has played well? if you look thru some of the players of the week, I'm sure you will find some marginal players that could shine for just that one week. i like Taylor. i think he has a world of talent. but he has under achieved this season.

[Longtimefan]

I'm looking at a player who this year, has attempted to over compensate for changes, as well as injuries to a secondary which as a whole, did not perform to the best of their abilities. He has not performed at the pace of the previous two years, but there are varying reasons for it. Sean will bounce back when we establish a little more stability around him, and he has the opportunity to play with the same group for an extended period of time. Let's face it, he's had to play next to no less than three different players this season. He therefore found himself pressing, trying to do too much, being out of position, and missing tackles, feeling more of a responsibility to make plays.

[mheisig]

I think Taylor's regression is first and foremost a coaching problem. The ESPN article a few weeks back with the "anonymous player" that comment quite a bit on the secondary and the coaching staff issues there I think really highlighted what's going on. Two separate coaches for the CBs and Safety's, neither units meeting together is just the start of the problems.

I've seen enough solid play from Taylor over the years that I'm not worried in the least bit. Hell, he's the only player on the defense I think should definitely be kept on the team.

What do you expect of a guy playing on this defense this year? He's working with a guy like AA who can't cover his own shadow, then with various backups at safety and CB who get changed like a dirty t-shirt. He's got Rogers playing CB, who apparently has bricks for hands, and then Springs who's only there half the time, so the rest of the time it's a backup of some sort. Next he's got linebackers who are abysmal, and a D-line that is letting the opposing RBs get 10 yards downfield without ever getting a hand on them.

What do you honestly expect one guy to be able to do with that kind of talent around him? It's really remarkable he's not worse this year if you think about it.

[dall-assblows]

Originally Posted by celts32

Honestly, Taylor was absolutely terrible this year. Missed tackles poor coverage...he regressed so much. If that guy was not drafted so high by the Redskins he would have been on the bench or cut already. I don't think he had a good game all year other than Carolina.

haha. That is stupid. has anyone forgotten that Sean Taylor is the best player GW has EVER coached, said it himself.