Sean Taylor struggling???

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Originally Posted by riggoraider

Why is it that when someone does not agree with someone elses opinion the whole thread becomes terrible?

When a thread is based on a misunderstanding of fundamentals, the thread is typically terrible.

[riggoraider]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

When a thread is based on a misunderstanding of fundamentals, the thread is typically terrible.

Could you please tell me what you think was misunderstood here?

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Originally Posted by riggoraider

Could you please tell me what you think was misunderstood here?

Sean Taylor has missed many plays (as has every single player on every single defense in the NFL). To say that he is a marginal player is a statement made by someone who does not understand the fundamentals of the game. Taylor led the team in tackles this year and he is the only DB in the top 10 for the NFC. Anytime and everytime a safety leads a team in tackling, you have a bad defense.

A good defense is going to be defined by the play of it's front seven. If you wanted to break it down even more you would say that the d line is more important than the linebackers. I was in the 5th row during the Carolina game. It was amazing how good Taylor and Rogers looked in that game. Why was that? Maybe they just decided to play that day, or maybe the fact that the line pressured Delhomme the entire game had more to do with it.

The bottom line is that Taylor is involved in too many plays. Why is he involved so much, because the front seven has been so poor and his range is as good as any DB in the league. You want Taylor cleaning up the mess not having to stop a runningback with a full head of steam who has not been touched by the time he gets to the secondary.

I guarantee that if they figure out how to stop the run, get a pass rusher and get some consistent linebacker play, the same people who gave up on Taylor (and also annoit a new team for the ages every week) will be saying how much better he is and how they are so happy we drafted him because he is the best safety ever.

[riggoraider]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Sean Taylor has missed many plays (as has every single player on every single defense in the NFL). To say that he is a marginal player is a statement made by someone who does not understand the fundamentals of the game. Taylor led the team in tackles this year and he is the only DB in the top 10 for the NFC. Anytime and everytime a safety leads a team in tackling, you have a bad defense.

A good defense is going to be defined by the play of it's front seven. If you wanted to break it down even more you would say that the d line is more important than the linebackers. I was in the 5th row during the Carolina game. It was amazing how good Taylor and Rogers looked in that game. Why was that? Maybe they just decided to play that day, or maybe the fact that the line pressured Delhomme the entire game had more to do with it.

The bottom line is that Taylor is involved in too many plays. Why is he involved so much, because the front seven has been so poor and his range is as good as any DB in the league. You want Taylor cleaning up the mess not having to stop a runningback with a full head of steam who has not been touched by the time he gets to the secondary.

I guarantee that if they figure out how to stop the run, get a pass rusher and get some consistent linebacker play, the same people who gave up on Taylor (and also annoit a new team for the ages every week) will be saying how much better he is and how they are so happy we drafted him because he is the best safety ever.

I agree with some of your points especially the one that stated Taylor would not be in the top 10 in tackles if it was not for our play up front.

If we find a good CB this off season to go along with Springs and if Prioleau plays good strong safety we will probably be looking for Taylor to be more agressive against the running game next season so some of his duties will be to stop runningbacks. I think that if he plays with "controlled aggression" he could be mentioned in the same breath with player like Ed Reed and Troy Palamalou.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

When a thread is based on a misunderstanding of fundamentals, the thread is typically terrible.

sorry that my football knowledge isn't as great as the magnificent grimreapers, but I'm glad you want to talk about fundamentals. isn't tackling a football fundamental? right now, i don't think Sean Taylor could tackle me. isn't pass coverage keeping the opposition in front of you? Taylor still trying to peek into the backfield, as every tom, dick, and harry goes blowing by him. and the biggest fundamental a safety learns in pop warner, is don't let anyone behind you. anyone have a guess on how many times this has happened this season? the defense being horrible isn't all Sean Taylors fault. but no way he gets a free pass. he was just as bad as everyone else

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Originally Posted by dmek25

sorry that my football knowledge isn't as great as the magnificent grimreapers, but I'm glad you want to talk about fundamentals. isn't tackling a football fundamental? right now, i don't think Sean Taylor could tackle me. isn't pass coverage keeping the opposition in front of you? Taylor still trying to peek into the backfield, as every tom, dick, and harry goes blowing by him. and the biggest fundamental a safety learns in pop warner, is don't let anyone behind you. anyone have a guess on how many times this has happened this season? the defense being horrible isn't all Sean Taylors fault. but no way he gets a free pass. he was just as bad as everyone else

My three year old could tackle you.

You were the one who labled Taylor as a marginal player. Own up to your misguided claim.

Marginal players don't get NFC players of the week.

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It is obvious Taylor suffers from being on a bad defense, but I do think he is often out of postion and misses too many tackles going for knock out hits. He has the potential to be a great player, but I do not think he is one yet.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

My three year old could tackle you.

You were the one who labled Taylor as a marginal player. Own up to your misguided claim.

Marginal players don't get NFC players of the week.

first off, I'm 6'2" 245lbs, so i don't think your 3 year old would be tackling me anytime soon.
secondly, right now, in my eyes, Taylor is a marginal NFL player
and lastly, how many times has Taylor been player of the week? can you name one game, other then the Carolina game, when Taylor has played well? if you look thru some of the players of the week, I'm sure you will find some marginal players that could shine for just that one week. i like Taylor. i think he has a world of talent. but he has under achieved this season.