Problems at the core

[Longtimefan]

I think the article further illustrates just how important is is for us to have a skilled personnel manager, GM (if you will) to evaluate, and choose players. A lengthly article, and throughtout I get the feeling that's the most important point trying to be made.

[squrrelco3]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I think the article further illustrates just how important is is for us to have a skilled personnel manager, GM (if you will) to evaluate, and choose players. A lengthly article, and throughtout I get the feeling that's the most important point trying to be made.

hey everybody...I know I'm kind of new here but I have to agree though...until Dan Snyder gets the h*ll out of the way and fires his favorite yes-man Vinny Cerrato we wil not see a turn around for a really long time...I just hate seeing Gibb's reputation tarnished the way it is...kind-of like seeing Johnny Unitas in a the Charger uniform it almost makes me want to cry.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by squrrelco3

hey everybody...I know I'm kind of new here but I have to agree though...until Dan Snyder gets the h*ll out of the way and fires his favorite yes-man Vinny Cerrato we wil not see a turn around for a really long time...I just hate seeing Gibb's reputation tarnished the way it is...kind-of like seeing Johnny Unitas in a the Charger uniform it almost makes me want to cry.

Agree on this "structure." Vinny C has been a constant here along w/ our less than mediocre organization. He's got to go imo.

[squrrelco3]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Agree on this "structure." Vinny C has been a constant here along w/ our less than mediocre organization. He's got to go imo.

Absolutely...you guys should see the posts on the WP website in response to this article...those people are frightfully vicious at blaming Gibbs...now I'll be the first to say that he's not 100% perfect and he does bear some responsibility..but ever since 1997 when he bought the team, Synder and Vinny have been the one constant...everyone in the NFL knows Vinny is Godawful at evaluating talent and Snyder isn't much better but his own ego won't let him get out of the way.

[The Huddle]

Originally Posted by squrrelco3

Absolutely...you guys should see the posts on the WP website in response to this article...those people are frightfully vicious at blaming Gibbs...now I'll be the first to say that he's not 100% perfect and he does bear some responsibility..but ever since 1997 when he bought the team, Synder and Vinny have been the one constant...everyone in the NFL knows Vinny is Godawful at evaluating talent and Snyder isn't much better but his own ego won't let him get out of the way.

I'm certainly no fan of Snyder or Cerrato but Lloyd isn't on this team unless Joe Gibbs wants him on this team. Yet another example of why we need a strong GM who can act independently of Gibbs. Most of the great players from Gibbs I were sniffed out by others (Beathard, Casserly, etc). There's really never been any reason to think Gibbs is especially adept at being the Redskins' top personel guy and this year's disappointment proves it.

Gibbs II = 21-27. All the rest is just conversation.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by squrrelco3

Absolutely...you guys should see the posts on the WP website in response to this article...those people are frightfully vicious at blaming Gibbs...now I'll be the first to say that he's not 100% perfect and he does bear some responsibility..but ever since 1997 when he bought the team, Synder and Vinny have been the one constant...everyone in the NFL knows Vinny is Godawful at evaluating talent and Snyder isn't much better but his own ego won't let him get out of the way.

Gibbs is President and has final say on all football operations, even over Snyder. I feel that the fanbase lets Gibbs off the hook too easily and makes Snyder a convenient scapegoat. The Danny only asks Gibbs for a list of players he needs, then closes the deal. Let's not delude ourselves - Gibbs deserves most of the blame for this disaster of a season.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by squrrelco3

hey everybody...I know I'm kind of new here but I have to agree though...until Dan Snyder gets the h*ll out of the way and fires his favorite yes-man Vinny Cerrato we wil not see a turn around for a really long time...I just hate seeing Gibb's reputation tarnished the way it is...kind-of like seeing Johnny Unitas in a the Charger uniform it almost makes me want to cry.

Speaking of Johnny U. He only wanted $100,000 to stay in Baltimore. One of the greatest QB's in NFL history seeking such a paltry sum (by today's standards), seeing what QB's with a fraction of his talent make now, I'm sure makes him want to cry as well.