Would You Want Cowher To Replace Gibbs?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I'm hearing alot of "we don't want to have Joe Gibbs fired, but ...." and then "remember, he had a great front office, a great GM..."

This to me is saying Gibbs isn't the problem, so why get rid of the person who ISN'T the problem? If getting a GM is the life line to our next glory years, then just do that. If Gibbs can't get it all done himself, nobody else will be able to. Why? Because it's saying no matter how good the coach is, if he doesn't have a good front office with a GM, he's not going to be successful.

Joe Gibbs the "coach" is not the problem, and we do not want to get rid of Joe Gibbs the "coach". I would not go as far to say he will not be successful, but I am convinced he would not have enjoyed his previous success here as a "coach" had he not had Bobby Bethard, who at the time he arived in Washington was considered one of the very best GM's in the league. Gibbs coached those players, he did not pick them. The main reason why he is being so highly scrutinized during this tenure is not because he is not a good coach, but because he now has a hand in choosing the talent he's coaching, and many feel some of his decisions have left a lot to be desired. I don't know of any football coaches who have doubled as GM and it worked out successfully. If we had a GM, then Gibbs would only have to be blamed for his coaching failures (if indeed he does fail) and not coupled with personell failures as well...........It would have to be Dan Snyder's decision to hire a GM, and based on his past history, that seems highly unlikely.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Joe Gibbs the "coach" is not the problem, and we do not want to get rid of Joe Gibbs the "coach". I would not go as far to say he will not be successful, but I am convinced he would not have enjoyed his previous success here as a "coach" had he not had Bobby Bethard, who at the time he arived in Washington was considered one of the very best GM's in the league. Gibbs coached those players, he did not pick them. The main reason why he is being so highly scrutinized during this tenure is not because he is not a good coach, but because he now has a hand in choosing the talent he's coaching, and many feel some of his decisions have left a lot to be desired. I don't know of any football coaches who have doubled as GM and it worked out successfully. If we had a GM, then Gibbs would only have to be blamed for his coaching failures (if indeed he does fail) and not coupled with personell failures as well...........It would have to be Dan Snyder's decision to hire a GM, and based on his past history, that seems highly unlikely.

LTF, I admire your loyalty first of al. But this 'aint the 80s, and Gibbs can't stay for as long as he wants. And you better bet your bottom dollar that if he doesn't turn it around next year, all the way around, chances are he won't be back.

Today's culture in the NFL is about the now. We just watched two coaches get canned, and Sabin is waffling only after two seasons. Tom Couglin is one the hot seat too, and may have bought himself another season, but that's it.

And please, for the love of God, let's stop bashing Snyder. He's receded into the background and let these guys make the major decisions regarding the team, the system and so forth. So in my mind, he's not entirely responsible for the current debacle.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

LTF, I admire your loyalty first of al. But this 'aint the 80s, and Gibbs can't stay for as long as he wants. And you better bet your bottom dollar that if he doesn't turn it around next year, all the way around, chances are he won't be back.

Today's culture in the NFL is about the now. We just watched two coaches get canned, and Sabin is waffling only after two seasons. Tom Couglin is one the hot seat too, and may have bought himself another season, but that's it.

And please, for the love of God, let's stop bashing Snyder. He's receded into the background and let these guys make the major decisions regarding the team, the system and so forth. So in my mind, he's not entirely responsible for the current debacle.

12thMan I respect your opinion, and appreciate you taking to time to respond to my post, however your response has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Read what I said, and read what you said in response and that should give you a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about.

I will however, respond to a couple of points you make; Tom Coughlin, and Lou Saban cannot be mentioned in the same breath as Joe Gibbs, neither has been enshrined in Canton. Joe Gibbs will walk away under his own terms, and not because he will be fired.......As for Dan Snyder, he still plays a very integral part in the acquisition of players, he's not as visible, or available to the media, but he quietly works behind the scene.