Tiered minimum wage?

[firstdown]

If you are over age 18 or 19 and making min wage its not an education issue but an issue of one lazy person.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by firstdown

If you are over age 18 or 19 and making min wage its not an education issue but an issue of one lazy person.

True that.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

If you are over age 18 or 19 and making min wage its not an education issue but an issue of one lazy person.

Tell that to the single mom of 3 kids whose trash truck driving husband was killed in a random accident. Homemaker all her life with no education/skills. She's supposed to get a job earning higher than minimum wage because an employer believes she's not lazy? There are plenty of similiar situations in a recessed economic environment throughout the country.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Tell that to the single mom of 3 kids whose trash truck driving husband was killed in a random accident. Homemaker all her life with no education/skills. She's supposed to get a job earning higher than minimum wage because an employer believes she's not lazy? There are plenty of similiar situations in a recessed economic environment throughout the country.

What you said may be true but I say its more of people not showing up or trying to advance themself in the job market.MY daughter with no job experience found her first job making $6.00 plus tips which made her hour wage around $9.00 and that was a Sonic's. The next summer she made $9.00 hour filing paper work and doing odd jobs for a Co. They asked her to work the next summer at $10.00 an hour. I'm not saying that a person might not start off at Min. wage but if they show up on time do their job they will not be making Min. wage very long. I have several friends who own fast food franchises and all start above min. wage and tell me its hard to find someone who will show up every day and do the job. The ones that do get a fast pay hike so they will stay around because they know that businesses are looking for dependable workers. One other example is a friend who has a framing (construction co) which he will play anyone who wants to work without job skills at $10.00. After two months if they work hard and will just learn some basic skills he will increase their pay to $13.00 and offer some health cov. He is willing to pick them up but he has a full time job finding people willing to give him a full days work and they soon are gone. I just don't see this as an issue of businesses not willing to pay but with them finding people worth paying a decent wage.

[Schneed10]

PS If anybody did not get cost of living increases to help your salary keep pace with inflation, then your employer is doing you a disservice in my opinion. It doesn't matter if you are minimum wage or if you're making $200K a year. Everyone should be getting 2% raises per year just to keep pace with inflation.

Any % increase beyond that should be merit based.

[Daseal]

You have to remember also that not all areas of the country are like the Northern Virginia / Maryland area. Go up to Flint Michigan and try to find a job. You simply can't. That turns into a vicious circle. You can't get a job, so you can't afford to move away to a more expensive area.

Just because someone doesn't have a college diploma, do they deserve to be trash? I worked at a job where a lot of employees made 10 bucks an hour and under. Most of these people were extremely hard working, they'd put in more than their share of time, and deserved much more than they were given. They need to have a living wage, not a minimum wage.

By the way. If there's a family in poverty and if they have a child, they can only afford for one of the family members to work. The cost of child care is so high that you have to make 11 bucks an hour, 40 hours a week, in order for you to make any money after the cost of child care. That's a reason why a lot of single mothers get stuck on welfare. I know we had a single mother who was on welfare come to work with us, and she wanted nothing more than to work, but she couldn't afford it. Once her child was enrolled in school, she started to work.

Pegging everyone not making a huge living as "lazy" is one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard in my life. Some people get put into bad situations, and many of us here have the families that can help us if we get into a rut? Some people don't have any sort of safety net. Hell, just getting sick for a month without insurance could put you in such a world of financial hurt you may never be able to recover.

I think we should look at some of the ways our country spends money, and think about how we could spend that better at home. The military is a double edged sword. Their budget is ridiculously huge, but they create a lot of jobs for some of the lower class we're talking about.

There are tons of places we could find money and get our standard of living into the top 20 again. We need to start looking at ourselves, and let other countries deal with themselves (within reason, of course)

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Daseal

You have to remember also that not all areas of the country are like the Northern Virginia / Maryland area. Go up to Flint Michigan and try to find a job. You simply can't. That turns into a vicious circle. You can't get a job, so you can't afford to move away to a more expensive area.

Just because someone doesn't have a college diploma, do they deserve to be trash? I worked at a job where a lot of employees made 10 bucks an hour and under. Most of these people were extremely hard working, they'd put in more than their share of time, and deserved much more than they were given. They need to have a living wage, not a minimum wage.

By the way. If there's a family in poverty and if they have a child, they can only afford for one of the family members to work. The cost of child care is so high that you have to make 11 bucks an hour, 40 hours a week, in order for you to make any money after the cost of child care. That's a reason why a lot of single mothers get stuck on welfare. I know we had a single mother who was on welfare come to work with us, and she wanted nothing more than to work, but she couldn't afford it. Once her child was enrolled in school, she started to work.

Pegging everyone not making a huge living as "lazy" is one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard in my life. Some people get put into bad situations, and many of us here have the families that can help us if we get into a rut? Some people don't have any sort of safety net. Hell, just getting sick for a month without insurance could put you in such a world of financial hurt you may never be able to recover.

I think we should look at some of the ways our country spends money, and think about how we could spend that better at home. The military is a double edged sword. Their budget is ridiculously huge, but they create a lot of jobs for some of the lower class we're talking about.

There are tons of places we could find money and get our standard of living into the top 20 again. We need to start looking at ourselves, and let other countries deal with themselves (within reason, of course)

I did not say people not making very much money are lazy. I said that most people that have been in the work place and are only making Min wage are probably lazy and do not work hard enough to even advance past min wage. Yes there are areas where there are no jobs but that is the exception and not the rule. As I said in an earlier post try and find one hard worker making min. wage. Its hard to do becasue they advance to a higher pay because the employer does not want to loose them. Its harder to replace a hard worker than to just increase their pay which most employers know.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think we should look at some of the ways our country spends money, and think about how we could spend that better at home. The military is a double edged sword. Their budget is ridiculously huge, but they create a lot of jobs for some of the lower class we're talking about.

Absolutely. Did you know that we spent over $400 billion dollars on defense alone in 2004? Did you know that our defense budget is more than double the defense budget of the entire rest of the world COMBINED? That means that if we cut our defense budget in half we'd have over $200 billion more dollars each year -- and we'd still have a defense budget larger than the rest of the world combined. Our budget and priorities are seriously flawed. It's like America is full of scared pussies, so we have to spend astronomical amounts of money to "protect" us.

Also, do you remember when the Iraq war started Congress passed $75 billion dollars in a week? What a mockery of the system. We can push through that much money for war in a week, but we can't improve healthcare and education over the course of several years?

I'll tell you one thing: I'm not scared of ANY terrorists -- I'm scared of the government.

Budget of the United States Government, FY 2006

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Absolutely. Did you know that we spent over $400 billion dollars on defense alone in 2004? Did you know that our defense budget is more than double the defense budget of the entire rest of the world COMBINED? That means that if we cut our defense budget in half we'd have over $200 billion more dollars each year -- and we'd still have a defense budget larger than the rest of the world combined. Our budget and priorities are seriously flawed. It's like America is full of scared pussies, so we have to spend astronomical amounts of money to "protect" us.

Also, do you remember when the Iraq war started Congress passed $75 billion dollars in a week? What a mockery of the system. We can push through that much money for war in a week, but we can't improve healthcare and education over the course of several years?

I'll tell you one thing: I'm not scared of ANY terrorists -- I'm scared of the government.

Budget of the United States Government, FY 2006

I think that our defense spending is double that of what any other country spends and not double of all countries put together. I'll pass on the rest of what you stated so not to make this a political thread.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I think that our defense spending is double that of what any other country spends and not double of all countries put together. I'll pass on the rest of what you stated so not to make this a political thread.

Military budget of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is wikipedia after all, and I didn't confirm their sources, but it looks like the US spends more than twice of all other spenders combined. Just check out the graph.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Military budget of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is wikipedia after all, and I didn't confirm their sources, but it looks like the US spends more than twice of all other spenders combined. Just check out the graph.

It looked to me as they only used around 10 other countries while running the numbers it kind of jumped around alot and was hard to tell. The one thing I did notice is it accounts for only about 4% of our GDP which is not bad. Also alot is spent on technology which protects our troops. It did say that we spend 47% of the total world spending defence. That is not twice what they spend its not even half.

[hooskins]

Either way that money could easily be spent on directly protecting our country, which is more then open for another terrorist attack. Beefing up technology at all public transportation locations, starting at subway and rail stations because at this point in time there is absolutely no security whatsoever at many major cities like DC and NYC. Airport security is pathetic and lagging behind. How about more money on emergency response teams and connecting local emergency systems with national.

The problem is that these areas receive near minimum funding while overseas adventures for oil and dominance in the Mid-East really do not secure our nation anymore.

[hooskins]

I am NOT talking about welfare I am talking about spending on the real issue, homeland security. That is a typical counter many Republicans bring up, but that doesn't hold when you are comparing the defense budget versus the homeland security budget(which was cut).

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I am NOT talking about welfare I am talking about spending on the real issue, homeland security. That is a typical counter many Republicans bring up, but that doesn't hold when you are comparing the defense budget versus the homeland security budget(which was cut).

Homeland security budget was not cut.

[Beemnseven]

Let's say everybody in the United States all chipped in and gave each poverty-stricken, less fortunate person a one-time payout of $50,000 -- what do you think would happen?

I've always been skeptical of the "working poor" or the "less fortunate". Everybody gets 12 years of free education in this country. After that, there are scholarships, grants, and all sorts of college loan financing options available for higher education.

By and large I think most people who claim they are poor are probably in that state because of one person: Themselves. Honestly, if each of us were to examine the reasons why we haven't made it to where we truly want to be, doesn't the finger ultimately get pointed right back at us? Sure, there are certainly exceptions. And no, I'm not talking about the mentally or physically disabled. I believe the bottom line is, if you are of sound mind and able body, there is NO reason you cannot achieve great success in this country.