Civil Discussion About Religion

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't really care. I think it's warranted. If a mod slaps me on the wrist, so be it.

I wouldnt consider this a slap on the wrist, but everyone knows this was going to be a very sensitive thread to begin with, so just make sure no insults get thrown either way, because this will get out of hand real quick.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I wouldnt consider this a slap on the wrist, but everyone knows this was going to be a very sensitive thread to begin with, so just make sure no insults get thrown either way, because this will get out of hand real quick.

It's kind of ironic, you'd think this thread would lead to a flame fest, but everyone has been very cool calm and collected when it comes to religion so far. I however am fired up by the notion that there is a scam artist on the site.

First, the gambling and religion discussions are a wee bit related, it all started by Jsarno saying that there are gambling patterns in roulette that you just can't explain, just as there are religious things you just can't explain.

I'm just bothered by this guy coming on here, talking about a book he wrote on this system, how one day he'd like to publish and sell it, and at the same time he's not confident enough in his system to try to make any real money off of it. Is anybody else's moral compass thrown for a complete loop on that one, or is it just me?

I'm not calling for jsarno to get scolded. But I'm calling a spade a spade. He's full of crap.

[dmek25]

i like to talk politics, but every political thread around here gets closed. is there really any difference between politics and this thread?

[dmek25]

and how religion and gambling come together....

[jsarno]

Back to religion.
So what would you do if you God is real, and he is upset at you for spreading word that He doesn't exist?
That is not to say that it will happen, but what if.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Back to religion.
So what would you do if you God is real, and he is upset at you for spreading word that He doesn't exist?
That is not to say that it will happen, but what if.

I think this is a fairly simple answer, actually. What would you do if your young child was spreading word that you don't exist? Shake your head and laugh saying "kids will say the darndest things".

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I think this is a fairly simple answer, actually. What would you do if your young child was spreading word that you don't exist? Shake your head and laugh saying "kids will say the darndest things".

That's a very interesting take on that question.
Like I said before, I find it hard to believe that an all loving God would purposely send his children to hell. Grace is good.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Back to religion.
So what would you do if you God is real, and he is upset at you for spreading word that He doesn't exist?
That is not to say that it will happen, but what if.

Good idea. Stick to religion. It's something you actually know something about.

Why are we assuming that God would be mad at spreading the word that He doesn't exist? If I tell my friend that God doesn't exist, you think God's going to be mad at me? Why?

[cpayne5]

This thread has maintained a level of calmness that few political threads do.

[saden1]

Con-artist is definitely an extreme because it implies that the person is knowingly committing a crime. I don't think jsarno is trying to rob someone by pitching his system. Like everything else in life, things happen by chance, but then again smart risk taking yields people like Warren Buffet. The stock market a is a big game of chance after all.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by saden1

Con-artist is definitely an extreme because it implies that the person is knowingly committing a crime. I don't think jsarno is trying to rob someone by pitching his system. Like everything else in life, things happen by chance, but then again smart risk taking yields people like Warren Buffet. The stock market a is a big game of chance after all.

No it's not, not even close. You can make money in the stock market by knowing an industry and a particular business's operations very well. There is a degree of luck involved, but by and large, you can pick winning stocks if you're a brilliant business mind, like Warren Buffett. He's widely regarded as one of the smartest businessmen that's ever lived. Are you going to tell him he just got lucky??

Roulette involves guessing which number the ball's going to land on. You can't research that.

Anyone who writes a book on beating roullette is either a crook or a moron. Ask any Vegas casino, they'll tell you. Systems don't work. So the guy writing the book either knows systems don't work and wrote the book anyway, or he just doesn't understand roulette.

jsarno claimed his system ALWAYS works. But he hasn't tried it by betting any more than $5 at a time. If he truly felt his system was foolproof, there'd be no risk for him, and he would have made millions on it already. Seems like he knows it's bogus, otherwise he'd be betting thousands in Vegas as we speak.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Roulette involves guessing which number the ball's going to land on. You can't research that.


jsarno claimed his system ALWAYS works. But he hasn't tried it by betting any more than $5 at a time. If he truly felt his system was foolproof, there'd be no risk for him, and he would have made millions on it already. Seems like he knows it's bogus, otherwise he'd be betting thousands in Vegas as we speak.

im not for judging people, or name calling. but i agree with this statement. if anyone had a foolproof way to make money, they would definitely use it and become rich

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by dmek25

im not for judging people, or name calling. but i agree with this statement. if anyone had a foolproof way to make money, they would definitely use it and become rich

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[saden1]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

No it's not, not even close. You can make money in the stock market by knowing an industry and a particular business's operations very well. There is a degree of luck involved, but by and large, you can pick winning stocks if you're a brilliant business mind, like Warren Buffett. He's widely regarded as one of the smartest businessmen that's ever lived. Are you going to tell him he just got lucky??

Roulette involves guessing which number the ball's going to land on. You can't research that.

Anyone who writes a book on beating roullette is either a crook or a moron. Ask any Vegas casino, they'll tell you. Systems don't work. So the guy writing the book either knows systems don't work and wrote the book anyway, or he just doesn't understand roulette.

jsarno claimed his system ALWAYS works. But he hasn't tried it by betting any more than $5 at a time. If he truly felt his system was foolproof, there'd be no risk for him, and he would have made millions on it already. Seems like he knows it's bogus, otherwise he'd be betting thousands in Vegas as we speak.

Warren Buffett is probably bad example as he does his homework before doing anything but the point I was making is that he too had luck on his side. When he was younger he took a lot of risk. Even with experience and analysis you're still taking a chance when you're buying stocks. I mean, how many businesses that exist today do you think will exist 100 years from now? Then of course you have market crashes (1929 ring a bell?). You just have to hope that when you retire we'll have a bull market. You can off course mitigate your risk by transitioning your money into safer investments as you near retirement age.

I personally don't believe in systems, but just maybe, jsarno's "system" is based on not risking with too much money. Playing now and then. Perhaps system is a bad word. How does strategy sound?

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by saden1

Warren Buffett is probably bad example as he does his homework before doing anything but the point I was making is that he too had luck on his side. When he was younger he took a lot of risk. Even with experience and analysis you're still taking a chance when you're buying stocks. I mean, how many businesses that exist today do you think will exist 100 years from now? Then of course you have market crashes (1929 ring a bell?). You just have to hope that when you retire we'll have a bull market. You can off course mitigate your risk by transitioning your money into safer investments as you near retirement age.

I personally don't believe in systems, but just maybe, jsarno's "system" is based on not risking with too much money. Playing now and then. Perhaps system is a bad word. How does strategy sound?

It's not that hard to make money in the stock market. Companies are growing, and if you find a hot product, or trend... you help them get off the ground and you'll get rewarded for your investment.

You can also analyze trends of differente types of companies. Swing trading is as addictive as gambling, and people learn to identify the habits of certain stocks. There is definitly a rhyme and reason to it...
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With gambling, to my knowledge there couldn't possibly be a rhyme or reason to it. That's the very reason they're in the casinos... they always make money.

Granted I'm sure it's possible they set up certain "Games" to attract you to the casino, only to have you shell that money out elsewhere... a different game... buying food... etc.

From what I've heard, Blackjack has the best odds... and the house will make money 9 times out of 10 anyways. Seems like a lost cause to try and "beat the system"... bunch of hooplah to try to get you out there and spend money. Sounds like a "myth" meant to ecourage you to become and addictive gambler. Have fun with that.