Civil Discussion About Religion

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The limits of the human mind, that's the answer. Why is it that everything had to be created by someone or something? Is there a law that says all matter had to come from somewhere? Why did it have to be created? Why couldn't it just exist?

The concept that everything was somehow created comes from the book of Genesis. Deep down, people believe somehow the Earth, world, universe, whatever, was created. Then they try to apply that belief to the Big Bang and everything else, asking "well if the universe came from a Big Bang, then where did all the matter come in the first place?"

The true question: was matter created by someone/something? Or does it just exist?

That's a very interesting question. I look at patterns and find my own conclusions...this is why I am an outstanding roulette player...the whole world has a way of evening itself out, you just need to find the patterns. You came from you parents, and their parents, and their parents before them. Everything has a beginning...think about that...everything you know in this world had a beginning, so why would something like the pre earth rocks not have a beginning?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by jsarno

That's a very interesting question. I look at patterns and find my own conclusions...this is why I am an outstanding roulette player...the whole world has a way of evening itself out, you just need to find the patterns. You came from you parents, and their parents, and their parents before them. Everything has a beginning...think about that...everything you know in this world had a beginning, so why would something like the pre earth rocks not have a beginning?

OK not to get off topic, but do you honestly believe someone can be a good or bad roullette player? I don't know how many statistics classes you've taken over your lifetime, but basically, if you flip a fair and balanced coin, what are the chances it will land on heads? 50% right? Everyone knows that one. OK, so let's say the coin just landed on heads. Flip it again. What are the chances it will land on heads this time? 50% right? Again, an easy one. Now, imagine it has landed on heads 5 times in a row. Now flip it again. What are the chances it lands on heads this time?

50%.

The point is the odds don't change based on whatever patterns you're observing. Same goes for roullette, except instead of the coin resulting in two different outcomes, the ball can land on 38 different outcomes. So what are the chances that it will land on 00? 1/38.

Now imagine it has landed on 00 three times in a row. Now bet again. What are the chances it will land on 00 this time? 1/38.

There are no such things as patterns in roullette. The results are completely random. That's why in Vegas they say "if you think you have a roullette system, you've lost already."

Any success you've had in the past is purely the result of blind luck. You just happened to hit on the odds. If you're so good at it, and can predict the patterns, then why aren't you in Vegas now making a living off your prowess?

And that's the human condition in a nutshell. The need to search for patterns or meaning in completely random, unrelated, and meaningless events.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

OK not to get off topic, but do you honestly believe someone can be a good or bad roullette player? I don't know how many statistics classes you've taken over your lifetime, but basically, if you flip a fair and balanced coin, what are the chances it will land on heads? 50% right? Everyone knows that one. OK, so let's say the coin just landed on heads. Flip it again. What are the chances it will land on heads this time? 50% right? Again, an easy one. Now, imagine it has landed on heads 5 times in a row. Now flip it again. What are the chances it lands on heads this time?

50%.

The point is the odds don't change based on whatever patterns you're observing. Same goes for roullette, except instead of the coin resulting in two different outcomes, the ball can land on 38 different outcomes. So what are the chances that it will land on 00? 1/38.

Now imagine it has landed on 00 three times in a row. Now bet again. What are the chances it will land on 00 this time? 1/38.

There are no such things as patterns in roullette. The results are completely random. That's why in Vegas they say "if you think you have a roullette system, you've lost already."

Any success you've had in the past is purely the result of blind luck. You just happened to hit on the odds. If you're so good at it, and can predict the patterns, then why aren't you in Vegas now making a living off your prowess?

And that's the human condition in a nutshell. The need to search for patterns or meaning in completely random, unrelated, and meaningless events.

Glad to see you got my point.

However, I will tell you this, I have NEVER lost in roulette. In fact I have paid for my cruises with my system...and I have written a short "book" on how anyone can do it. I've won my mother (a complete idiot in gambling) lots of money. There are several keys, like never bet a ton of money, but what I bank on is that the wheel will always right itself. Just because you can't understand how I win, doesn't mean it is not possible. Also, you never stay at the wheel more than approximately 5 minutes at a time...I will not divulge my system, especially to such a person that only wants to pick it apart without looking at it...but I will give my basics to anyone that wants them via private message. (please only people that have played it before, it takes too long to explain the entire table)

You ask why I don't live in Vegas?
1- Since I figured out that the world will right itself somehow / equal the field, I have won over 10k in 4 years. (hope the tax man isn't watching) However, it comes at a price. It takes time and energy.
2- It's not fun. I had fun when I started, but inevitably, you will lose some and then have to gain it back to win overall. It's work.
3- There ARE people that make a career out of it, and make a very good living. It's not your fault you don't know, you're just skeptical.

ps- flipping a coin is not like playing roulette, you have 38 options in roulette, only 2 with flipping a coin. But I will say this, try flipping a coin 100 times and always use more or less umph when flipping (like a roulette dealer will use more or less umph to toss the ball on the wheel) and keep track of how many times it hits heads or tails. If you flip the same way every time, it will hit one more than the other, but if you change it up the coin will hit heads anywhere from 40-60% of the time, so why does it not hit say 10% of the time? Or 15% of the time?
I actually did a long study of how many numbers were hit and how often..I did over 10,000 rolls on the roulette system, and I noticed patterns. Like, don't EVER pick the actual numbers, you will lose.

I made this way too long...especially since you likely will not listen.

After thinking about it, I don't think a PM could explain the system since it doesn't have enough room, I'd need to e-mail the system.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Glad to see you got my point.

However, I will tell you this, I have NEVER lost in roulette. In fact I have paid for my cruises with my system...and I have written a short "book" on how anyone can do it. I've won my mother (a complete idiot in gambling) lots of money. There are several keys, like never bet a ton of money, but what I bank on is that the wheel will always right itself. Just because you can't understand how I win, doesn't mean it is not possible. Also, you never stay at the wheel more than approximately 5 minutes at a time...I will not divulge my system, especially to such a person that only wants to pick it apart without looking at it...but I will give my basics to anyone that wants them via private message. (please only people that have played it before, it takes too long to explain the entire table)

You ask why I don't live in Vegas?
1- Since I figured out that the world will right itself somehow / equal the field, I have won over 10k in 4 years. (hope the tax man isn't watching) However, it comes at a price. It takes time and energy.
2- It's not fun. I had fun when I started, but inevitably, you will lose some and then have to gain it back to win overall. It's work.
3- There ARE people that make a career out of it, and make a very good living. It's not your fault you don't know, you're just skeptical.

ps- flipping a coin is not like playing roulette, you have 38 options in roulette, only 2 with flipping a coin. But I will say this, try flipping a coin 100 times and always use more or less umph when flipping (like a roulette dealer will use more or less umph to toss the ball on the wheel) and keep track of how many times it hits heads or tails. If you flip the same way every time, it will hit one more than the other, but if you change it up the coin will hit heads anywhere from 40-60% of the time, so why does it not hit say 10% of the time? Or 15% of the time?
I actually did a long study of how many numbers were hit and how often..I did over 10,000 rolls on the roulette system, and I noticed patterns. Like, don't EVER pick the actual numbers, you will lose.

I made this way too long...especially since you likely will not listen.

After thinking about it, I don't think a PM could explain the system since it doesn't have enough room, I'd need to e-mail the system.

Will your system work in Russian Roulette?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by saden1

Will your system work in Russian Roulette?

hahaha,
no...but it would work better if you were the first to pull the trigger. AT least then you have a 1 in 8 shot of it not getting you. I would just personally rather play with money..I can make more of that, I can't create another life. Not worth the odds.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Glad to see you got my point.

However, I will tell you this, I have NEVER lost in roulette. In fact I have paid for my cruises with my system...and I have written a short "book" on how anyone can do it. I've won my mother (a complete idiot in gambling) lots of money. There are several keys, like never bet a ton of money, but what I bank on is that the wheel will always right itself. Just because you can't understand how I win, doesn't mean it is not possible. Also, you never stay at the wheel more than approximately 5 minutes at a time...I will not divulge my system, especially to such a person that only wants to pick it apart without looking at it...but I will give my basics to anyone that wants them via private message. (please only people that have played it before, it takes too long to explain the entire table)

You ask why I don't live in Vegas?
1- Since I figured out that the world will right itself somehow / equal the field, I have won over 10k in 4 years. (hope the tax man isn't watching) However, it comes at a price. It takes time and energy.
2- It's not fun. I had fun when I started, but inevitably, you will lose some and then have to gain it back to win overall. It's work.
3- There ARE people that make a career out of it, and make a very good living. It's not your fault you don't know, you're just skeptical.

ps- flipping a coin is not like playing roulette, you have 38 options in roulette, only 2 with flipping a coin. But I will say this, try flipping a coin 100 times and always use more or less umph when flipping (like a roulette dealer will use more or less umph to toss the ball on the wheel) and keep track of how many times it hits heads or tails. If you flip the same way every time, it will hit one more than the other, but if you change it up the coin will hit heads anywhere from 40-60% of the time, so why does it not hit say 10% of the time? Or 15% of the time?
I actually did a long study of how many numbers were hit and how often..I did over 10,000 rolls on the roulette system, and I noticed patterns. Like, don't EVER pick the actual numbers, you will lose.

I made this way too long...especially since you likely will not listen.

After thinking about it, I don't think a PM could explain the system since it doesn't have enough room, I'd need to e-mail the system.

You're right, I definitely am not listening. Your system is full of crap. If you really believed that strongly in it, you'd be in Vegas making tons of money. You actually mean to tell me that betting roullette in Vegas is hard work?

Find me one mathemetician or one expert on gaming that would agree that patterns exist in roullette.