Al Saunders

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Here is the main problem w/ Gibbs and Saunders. Saunders likes to get 5 guys out in the pass patterns. Gibbs likes to send out 3 and keep everyone else in to pass protect. Gibbs is going to have to give in if this offense is ever going to reach it's full potential. In the NFL you have to pass to score and run to win. And right now our passing game isn't good enough to win on a consistent basis. Can anyone tell me when was the last time we threw for 300 yards?

But does it make any sense to send 5 guys out in pass routes when you have a young QB just learning how to make reads? I mean isn't that exactly what Spurrier did to Ramsey?

When a QB is older and wiser, and has been in the offense for a while, like Trent Green, then you can send 5 guys out and the QB can probably make the reads and decisions fast enough to beat the pass rush. But a young QB like Campbell is slower to read and react, and needs more time than that. He'll end up holding onto the ball too long and taking mad sacks, or he'll end up making bad decisions and getting picked.

I strongly favor Gibbs' approach for the sake of a young QB's development. Max protect is your friend. Win the game on the ground, and take your shots through the air without sacrificing protection.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

But does it make any sense to send 5 guys out in pass routes when you have a young QB just learning how to make reads? I mean isn't that exactly what Spurrier did to Ramsey?

When a QB is older and wiser, and has been in the offense for a while, like Trent Green, then you can send 5 guys out and the QB can probably make the reads and decisions fast enough to beat the pass rush. But a young QB like Campbell is slower to read and react, and needs more time than that. He'll end up holding onto the ball too long and taking mad sacks, or he'll end up making bad decisions and getting picked.

I strongly favor Gibbs' approach for the sake of a young QB's development. Max protect is your friend. Win the game on the ground, and take your shots through the air without sacrificing protection.

That's how I feel it should be all next year as well. As I've mentioned before, run, run, run and let Saunders throw in some of his innovativeness along the way.

We see now the benefits of having a strong-armed QB and the running game is only going to benefit next year. With those kind of options, why even try end-arounds, five-wide sets when you can get by just running the ball and throwing it when you have to. Sometimes, it's just overkill.

I firmly believe that if the defense can at least get back into average mode, we'll be a playoff team again. We need a top ten defense for a Super Bowl run.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

But does it make any sense to send 5 guys out in pass routes when you have a young QB just learning how to make reads? I mean isn't that exactly what Spurrier did to Ramsey?

When a QB is older and wiser, and has been in the offense for a while, like Trent Green, then you can send 5 guys out and the QB can probably make the reads and decisions fast enough to beat the pass rush. But a young QB like Campbell is slower to read and react, and needs more time than that. He'll end up holding onto the ball too long and taking mad sacks, or he'll end up making bad decisions and getting picked.

I strongly favor Gibbs' approach for the sake of a young QB's development. Max protect is your friend. Win the game on the ground, and take your shots through the air without sacrificing protection.

Gibbs acts like JC is a frickin little baby. He needs to stop coddleling him. Sending 3 guys out on 3rd down is outdated. JC STARTED AT AURBURN FOR 4 YEARS. He can handle it. In certain situations you can send out 5 guys. Like on 1st down? Not all the time but some of the time you have to do it. This is why we don't score enough TD's becasue our offense is too conservative. Or how about running a hurry up offense next year some of the time? I watched Pennington do it and he can't even throw the ball. We need to diversify the offense.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Gibbs acts like JC is a frickin little baby. He needs to stop coddleling him. Sending 3 guys out on 3rd down is outdated. JC STARTED AT AURBURN FOR 4 YEARS. He can handle it. In certain situations you can send out 5 guys. Like on 1st down? Not all the time but some of the time you have to do it. This is why we don't score enough TD's becasue our offense is too conservative. Or how about running a hurry up offense next year some of the time? I watched Pennington do it and he can't even throw the ball. We need to diversify the offense.

What makes you think JC can handle reading a defense that quickly? Did he learn that at Auburn? Did Alabama or Florida use a Jim Johnson blitz disguise? Did Tennessee or Vanderbilt use a 3-4 like Dallas?

Get the F out of here with the notion that Campbell's four years at Auburn have any bearing on his readiness here at this level. Are you serious with that? College ball?

It takes QBs a while to learn. Here's a little food for thought: over our first 10 games, with Saunders free to run his offense how he saw fit, we scored 18 points per game. With Gibbs reasserting himself over the last six games, calling a more conservative gameplan with more power running and max protection, we scored 21 points per game. It's really hard to argue we're better off with Saunders' method, especially with our offensive personnel.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Get the F out of here with the notion that Campbell's four years at Auburn have any bearing on his readiness here at this level. Are you serious with that? College ball?

History does show that more starts in college are condusive to NFL success. I think theres something to that. Not sure it matters though whether he started 4 years at Auburn or 4 years at Middle Tennessee State, expierience is expierience. (Of course, one would expect that the "MTSU Campbell" would have better numbers than the Auburn Campbell)

But I agree that a statement that starting 4 years at the college level makes you prepared to handle blitz packages at the NFL level right away is pretty retarded. If that was the case, there wouldn't be a learning curve.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

History does show that more starts in college are condusive to NFL success. I think theres something to that. Not sure it matters though whether he started 4 years at Auburn or 4 years at Middle Tennessee State, expierience is expierience. (Of course, one would expect that the "MTSU Campbell" would have better numbers than the Auburn Campbell)

But I agree that a statement that starting 4 years at the college level makes you prepared to handle blitz packages at the NFL level right away is pretty retarded. If that was the case, there wouldn't be a learning curve.

Not to sound like an expert but handleling the blitz is not as complicated as you think it is. These guys are pros and this is what they do all day long. I use to play HS football many years ago and the reads are not as complex. Even in the pros. Ther reads are actually tougher when teams don't blitz because you can have more defenders in coverage. The biggest difference that I see in the pros is you have guys constantly moving around to confuse the lineman. But it leaves you in man coverage most of the time and these reads are easy for the QB. It comes down to whether or not you can pick it up and your WR's can beat man coverage. Or it comes down to whether or not your QB can get rid of the ball, step into the throw and make an accurate throw under serious pressure. Plus take a hit. Eli really struggles with this, he never hangs in there and steps into his throws. He seems to get scared and throws the ball falling away.

One thing I don't see the Skins do ( when teams blitz us) is get the backs out on wheel routes ( sideline routes ) and seam routes (down the middle) as these will kill blites if you can get the time to get the ball off. Tomlinson runs this against blitzes and so does Westbrook. This works becasue you will always have a linebacker trying to cover a back. Pittman on TB runs these routes very well, and Gruden does a great job of designing these types of plays. Our backs only run out in the flats which makes no sense. Portis even mentioned this on his radio show. Zone blitzes can be alot more complicated

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

What makes you think JC can handle reading a defense that quickly? Did he learn that at Auburn? Did Alabama or Florida use a Jim Johnson blitz disguise? Did Tennessee or Vanderbilt use a 3-4 like Dallas?

Get the F out of here with the notion that Campbell's four years at Auburn have any bearing on his readiness here at this level. Are you serious with that? College ball?

It takes QBs a while to learn. Here's a little food for thought: over our first 10 games, with Saunders free to run his offense how he saw fit, we scored 18 points per game. With Gibbs reasserting himself over the last six games, calling a more conservative gameplan with more power running and max protection, we scored 21 points per game. It's really hard to argue we're better off with Saunders' method, especially with our offensive personnel.

Yes I'm serious. It would be different if he played at Air Force. But he ran pro style offenses, and that makes him more ready for the NFL game. So you mean to tell me that sending out three guys on let's say 30 pass plays a game is a good NFL passing game plan??? If you think that's going to get it done in today's NFL then send me some of the Kool Aid your drinking. And don't give me that 3 point difference BS. It was a struggle to get 200 yards passing. The power running game is nice but you can't try and run everybody over all the time. The bottom line is we need more out of the passing game. I hope Charles Johnson is sitting there at the 6th pick.

[mike340]

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

... If you think that's going to get it done in today's NFL then send me some of the Kool Aid your drinking...

[DiehardSkin88]

Skinsfan69.... who the f are you to say that making reads in the nfl isn't that hard. You played high school football pussy, thats nothing compared to the nfl. Were u even a damn quarterback? How the hell would you know, why do young quarterbacks making there first starts make bad descisions and bad throws.. de de de. maybe its cuz he's struggling with his reads and underestimating the speed of his opponents. Your post is completely retarded bro. Seriously, for you to compare high school football reads to nfl reads is straight up ridiculous. Also, for you to even consider our offense to be the problem of the season is also simply retarded.

[DiehardSkin88]

yea...now that i read over it it actually is, i apologize for that. But it pisses me off so much when i read posts like these. To me it just sounds like another damn bitter redskin fan after another bad season.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by DiehardSkin88

yea...now that i read over it it actually is, i apologize for that. But it pisses me off so much when i read posts like these. To me it just sounds like another damn bitter redskin fan after another bad season.

You know what though, we're all frustrated. But you keep getting worked up and making direct attacks on people here.

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