Calvin Johnson entering NFL draft

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Wouldn't that be the ultimate though, if he chose his fourth top 10 receiver in 5 years, just to kind of say F-U to the world and the city of Detroit? Then he lit a bunch of motown records on fire and drove off in a Toyota? I would gain a little respect for him if he did that.

LOL - nice touch!

Strangely, I agree with skinsfan69 and FRPLG (and paintrain). You should draft the best player available. However, if you don't need the player (as we don't need a WR right now), then you shouldn't pick him - you should trade the pick.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

LOL - nice touch!

Strangely, I agree with skinsfan69 and FRPLG (and paintrain). You should draft the best player available. However, if you don't need the player (as we don't need a WR right now), then you shouldn't pick him - you should trade the pick.

How can you say we don't need him? Outside of Santana who in the hell do we have at WR that's worth a damn? And please don't say crybaby LLoyd or ARE. Both are number 3 WR's. Who goes over the middle besides Cooley? Who can we throw a jump ball too?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

How can you say we don't need him? Outside of Santana who in the hell do we have at WR that's worth a damn? And please don't say crybaby LLoyd or ARE. Both are number 3 WR's. Who goes over the middle besides Cooley? Who can we throw a jump ball too?

Who do we have now that's going to keep the opposing team's score below 20 so that we can win with the talent we have? Sure, if we got CJ we might still only put up 20+ points a game, but we're still lacking in the defense department and teams don't win Super Bowls by simply being able to out-gun the other team. How about them Colts?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Who do we have now that's going to keep the opposing team's score below 20 so that we can win with the talent we have? Sure, if we got CJ we might still only put up 20+ points a game, but we're still lacking in the defense department and teams don't win Super Bowls by simply being able to out-gun the other team. How about them Colts?

How about them Colts????? They have a game this weekend, we don't. They also make the playoffs every year.

But I agree with you 100% about our defense. But it comes down to who's the best player. If CJ becomes a great player and let's say Adams or the guy on Mich. becomes a solid starters than who gets the better of the deal? Someone brough up a great point in another thread. The last time we drafted for need we got Carlos Rogers because of Smoot. As it turns out there were MUCH better players on the board. D. Ware and Merriman.

[724Skinsfan]

If he's still available after the Raiders pick, I'll be surprised. I don't see a Raider's future with Moss or Porter in the mix. They need someone or sometwo. CJ would be a pretty good fit for them, not sure about the other way around. Poor Calvin, we hardly knew ye.

[Mc2guy]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

If he's still available after the Raiders pick, I'll be surprised. I don't see a Raider's future with Moss or Porter in the mix. They need someone or sometwo. CJ would be a pretty good fit for them, not sure about the other way around. Poor Calvin, we hardly knew ye.

I disagree that CJ will be a Raider. He might be going to Tampa, but not Oakland.

Davis is looking to make a big splash and get the frachise turned around before his chat with St. Pete. Brady Quinn is all but wearing a Silver and Black jersey in my opinion. Oakland hasn't had a respectible QB since Gannon folded in '02 and Davis recognizes that next to a legit head coach, the most important acquisition he can make is at QB.

Now I'm not saying the Raider's SHOULD pick Quinn, as I happen to believe he is vastly overrated, but QB is the bigger need than WR plus Davis likes marquee names with draft picks.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mc2guy

I disagree that CJ will be a Raider. He might be going to Tampa, but not Oakland.

Davis is looking to make a big splash and get the frachise turned around before his chat with St. Pete. Brady Quinn is all but wearing a Silver and Black jersey in my opinion. Oakland hasn't had a respectible QB since Gannon folded in '02 and Davis recognizes that next to a legit head coach, the most important acquisition he can make is at QB.

Now I'm not saying the Raider's SHOULD pick Quinn, as I happen to believe he is vastly overrated, but QB is the bigger need than WR plus Davis likes marquee names with draft picks.

I see JaMarcus Russell going to Oakland. But TB might go for a QB too. I would not rule that out by any means.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I see JaMarcus Russell going to Oakland. But TB might go for a QB too. I would not rule that out by any means.

Russell will be a pretty solid NFL QB...but anyone arguing that hes a better NFL prospect than Brady Quinn needs to get their credentials checked.

It's like arguing that Byron Leftwich is a better QB than Carson Palmer.

Not saying that Oakland won't make that mistake.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Russell will be a pretty solid NFL QB...but anyone arguing that hes a better NFL prospect than Brady Quinn needs to get their credentials checked.

It's like arguing that Byron Leftwich is a better QB than Carson Palmer.

Not saying that Oakland won't make that mistake.

Mabye Ill be wrong, but Im going to go on record right now in saying that Brady Quinn will be an average NFL QB, at best. He isnt any good against good defenses, at the college level. Heres the difference IMO opinion between Quinn and other QBS, since he played under Weiss, hes already reached a lot of his potential, and the last few games of the year he did little to impress me.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

Mabye Ill be wrong, but Im going to go on record right now in saying that Brady Quinn will be an average NFL QB, at best. He isnt any good against good defenses, at the college level. Heres the difference IMO opinion between Quinn and other QBS, since he played under Weiss, hes already reached a lot of his potential, and the last few games of the year he did little to impress me.

Your prediction will definitely hold true if he winds up in Oakland. In fact, as a Raider, it could be a struggle getting to 'average'.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

Mabye Ill be wrong, but Im going to go on record right now in saying that Brady Quinn will be an average NFL QB, at best. He isnt any good against good defenses, at the college level. Heres the difference IMO opinion between Quinn and other QBS, since he played under Weiss, hes already reached a lot of his potential, and the last few games of the year he did little to impress me.

He carved up USC's D last season with a much better team around him. This year Notre Dame had pass protection issues, and consequently any time they played a team with a good pass rush, Quinn got knocked around.

Looking at college production is useless unless you consider the entire body of work. He's put up nasty stats the last two seasons playing a pretty hard schedule in an NFL style offense. He's got the expierence; he was a 4 year starter, and Weis says his tools remind him of Tom Brady...

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

Mabye Ill be wrong, but Im going to go on record right now in saying that Brady Quinn will be an average NFL QB, at best. He isnt any good against good defenses, at the college level. Heres the difference IMO opinion between Quinn and other QBS, since he played under Weiss, hes already reached a lot of his potential, and the last few games of the year he did little to impress me.

I couldn't agree with you more. What is Quinn's signature game. A loss against USC? I will be shocked if he ever dons a probowl jersey.

[Rexi]

The Raiders are going to pass on CJ and Quinn for Russell and continue being completely horrible.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Rexi

The Raiders are going to pass on CJ and Quinn for Russell and continue being completely horrible.

I agree. If they wouldn't take Leinart why would they take Quinn? Russell seems like a guy they'd die for. I don't get that warm fuzzy feeling from Russell. I think he looks like a bust to me. Actually not really a bust but more of a Campbell type (Ie: solid guy who could turn out good, most likely will be decent, but could be a total disaster). And we got skewered for trading up and taking him. I don't get the love for Russell.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I agree. If they wouldn't take Leinart why would they take Quinn? Russell seems like a guy they'd die for. I don't get that warm fuzzy feeling from Russell. I think he looks like a bust to me. Actually not really a bust but more of a Campbell type (Ie: solid guy who could turn out good, most likely will be decent, but could be a total disaster). And we got skewered for trading up and taking him. I don't get the love for Russell.

Since Russell can throw 40 yards sitting on his butt (as he will display regularly if the Raiders take him) I would give him three plays:

A. "Chuck it up there, dog" 1. A bomb to Randy Moss on the right side.
B. Tuck it in, run up the middle and slide.
C. "Chuck it up there, dog" 2. A bomb to Randy Moss on the left side.

There is one reason why Culpepper had monster seasons and it wasn't the purple uniforms...