2007 Pro Football Hall of Fame Finalists

[irish]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

Then why...when he was playing....did practically EVERYONE refer to him as "future hall of famer"???? What changed? Matty has a point. He was quiet and in this day and age, if you are quiet and professional, you don't often get much recognition.

But Monk didnt play in this day and age. He retired in 1995 and was eligible in 2000, that's 7 years ago and the loudmouth player had not developed to the extent it has today. IN fact I think most players were on the quiet side. IMO it just keeps getting worse for Monk because now 12 years after he played his numbers dont compare and he wont promote himself when he needs it most.

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by irish

But Monk didnt play in this day and age. He retired in 1995 and was eligible in 2000, that's 7 years ago and the loudmouth player had not developed to the extent it has today. IN fact I think most players were on the quiet side. IMO it just keeps getting worse for Monk because now 12 years after he played his numbers dont compare and he wont promote himself when he needs it most.

That is true. He certainly won't promote himself.

[The Huddle]

Originally Posted by irish

But Monk didnt play in this day and age. He retired in 1995 and was eligible in 2000, that's 7 years ago and the loudmouth player had not developed to the extent it has today. IN fact I think most players were on the quiet side. IMO it just keeps getting worse for Monk because now 12 years after he played his numbers dont compare and he wont promote himself when he needs it most.

Monk's numbers still stack up very nicely against the league's current top recievers. As noted above, there are only five recievers in the entire history of the league with more catches and only 10 with more yardage. How do these numbers not compare?

[Bill B]

If anyone is interested I posted a link below that lists all the HOF voters and if you click on them you can see their stance on Monk. I know there are a lot of unknowns, but at least we can see who is in favor and who is against Monk for some of the voters......

Hall of Fame Voters « The Art Monk Hall of Fame Campaign

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by Bill B

If anyone is interested I posted a link below that lists all the HOF voters and if you click on them you can see their stance on Monk. I know there are a lot of unknowns, but at least we can see who is in favor and who is against Monk for some of the voters......

Hall of Fame Voters « The Art Monk Hall of Fame Campaign

I officially hate Dr. Z and Pastabelly. They're the only ones that have a zero vote. F-ing terrible.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

I officially hate Dr. Z and Pastabelly. They're the only ones that have a zero vote. F-ing terrible.

I can't stand them as well. Also you had to know that the writer from Dallas Rick Gosselin is going to vote against Monk.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by Bill B

If anyone is interested I posted a link below that lists all the HOF voters and if you click on them you can see their stance on Monk. I know there are a lot of unknowns, but at least we can see who is in favor and who is against Monk for some of the voters......

Hall of Fame Voters « The Art Monk Hall of Fame Campaign

Its a big suprise that PK is a definitly yes!!!!


Also, you can click on the names of the voters and they give a reason why they voted a certain way.

Cliff Christl says one of the reasons is Monk's # of probowls(3). The probowl is and forever will be a joke. Its a popularity contest, not a prize for the best at his position. He also says Monk was never a big playmaker. Well DUHHHH!! He was neevr asked to be a big playmaker. he was asked to do the little things that make a TEAM great, and at this, he WAS the best!!!

[The Huddle]

Minds are being changed as the indefensible absurdity of the anti-Monk position becomes apparent. I've slammed PK more times than I care to recall but it takes a certain type of man to admit when he's wrong:

Peter King:

Even though Monk retired with the all-time receptions record, I’ve historically been anti-Monk for several reasons. He played 16 seasons and led his own team in receiving six times; only once was he voted first-team All-Pro. I questioned his impact on a team where the running game and Gary Clark, for many years, were the prime targets to stop by opposing defensive coordinators. I know. I watched the Giants do it nine times over four years against Washington. But last year, after a man I’d advocated got in (Harry Carson), veteran NFL writer Len Shapiro from the Washington Post e-mailed me and reminded me that everything Carson meant to the Giants, Monk meant to Washington. The leadership, the selflessness, the durable productivity … all the same. I decided I should re-think my position.
As I made my rounds of training camps this year, I asked veteran coaches about Monk and the one word that kept coming up was “unselfish.” His downfield blocking prowess kept coming up. His long-term numbers were almost Yastrzemski-like (one or two great years, lots of productive ones, very reliable). But when I talked to Joe Gibbs on Friday, the one thing that stood out was the body of work we don’t see — the downfield blocking, the quiet leadership, and this: Unlike his louder receiving mates Clark and Ricky Sanders, Monk, according to Gibbs, never once said he wanted the ball more. “We used him almost as a tight end a lot,” said Gibbs, “and not only did he do it willingly, he was a great blocker for us. If he’d been a squeaky wheel, who knows how many catches Art would have had. But he cared about one thing — the team.”
So many of the things Carson did can’t be quantified. Similarly with Monk. Not only did he lead the NFL in all-time receptions when he retired, but he blocked superbly and was the most important locker-room influence on a three-time Super Bowl champion. I’m voting for him.

[dblanch66]

I believe you have to have little understanding of team, leadership, passion, talent and the game of football to not think Monk belongs in the Hall. That's it. I'm done with this. It's such a no brainer, arguing about it is a waste of any more energy.
Dallas Sucks.