Tom "Iceman" Brady

[Duffman003]

arguing over who is a better player in football is stupid because it's a team sport that depends on the other 10 players on the field with them. Whoever you believe is better is subjective and cannot be seriously proven.

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by Duffman003

arguing over who is a better player in football is stupid because it's a team sport that depends on the other 10 players on the field with them. Whoever you believe is better is subjective and cannot be seriously proven.

Not neccesarily. One great player can make a world of difference for a team. Look at how much better the Skins defense was with Shawn Springs in the secondary as opposed to how unbelievably awful they were without him. It's a team sport, true, but you can't say that great players can't make a huge difference.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

Not neccesarily. One great player can make a world of difference for a team. Look at how much better the Skins defense was with Shawn Springs in the secondary as opposed to how unbelievably awful they were without him. It's a team sport, true, but you can't say that great players can't make a huge difference.

I agree,look how much better the colts d has been with sanders back in the lineup

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Duffman003

arguing over who is a better player in football is stupid because it's a team sport that depends on the other 10 players on the field with them. Whoever you believe is better is subjective and cannot be seriously proven.

That is true, it's highly subjective, but what I don't get is how people think Brady is better than Manning. 3 rings...yadda, yadda, yadda. The Pats didn't win today because of Tom Brady, the guy was picked twice.

To demonstrate how little playoff football is about the quarterback, consider how many times Peyton came up short, playing well, but getting little help from his team. All of a sudden, he's playing poor this year, and getting help from his team and now he's got his best chance to reach the big game. Go figure. Maybe the 21 other guys influence the outcome more than the quarterback. Duh.

Manning's body of work over the last eight years is unbelieveable. Brady's is nothing to spit on, but clearly not in the same league. The question shouldn't be who's the best quarterback in the league, it should be who's the 2nd best, Brady or Palmer (or Brees if you want to swing that way)?

[LMsexyAO]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Manning's body of work over the last eight years is unbelieveable. Brady's is nothing to spit on, but clearly not in the same league. The question shouldn't be who's the best quarterback in the league, it should be who's the 2nd best, Brady or Palmer (or Brees if you want to swing that way)?

How is Brady not in the same league as Manning?? Winning 6, 8, hell, even 16 games in a row is impressive, no doubt. But no one remembers the guys that went undefeated and lost in the playoffs, they remember the ones that stuck it out through the toughest games and won the Super Bowl. Three rings in Brady's 6th season is nothing short of incredible. Plus, have you see Manning this postseason? He looks more like Rex Grossman than anyone else that comes to mind. Even if you think it's Brady's team that carries them to the playoffs, you can't look at his stats and not agree that it's Brady who wins the games.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by LMsexyAO

How is Brady not in the same league as Manning?? Winning 6, 8, hell, even 16 games in a row is impressive, no doubt. But no one remembers the guys that went undefeated and lost in the playoffs, they remember the ones that stuck it out through the toughest games and won the Super Bowl. Three rings in Brady's 6th season is nothing short of incredible. Plus, have you see Manning this postseason? He looks more like Rex Grossman than anyone else that comes to mind. Even if you think it's Brady's team that carries them to the playoffs, you can't look at his stats and not agree that it's Brady who wins the games.

Brady is certainly the MVP of the Pats, but Manning is the MVP of the entire league. Well, as far as QBs go at least