Did Football Kill Former Eagles DB Andre Waters?

[Monkeydad]

Really, I didn't believe it. Later, we saw Mohammed Ali on TV and my wife commented on why she wonders why boxers would want to do that to themselves. I said, it doesn't happen to all of them, look at George Foreman...he's fine and he fought Ali a few times.

It's not a widespread problem with older football players. I think Waters' problems were more genetic and by chance than as a result of football. He's always had psychological issues and has been a hothead...so I don't think you can blame the sport.

Now with Aikman...yeah, he'll be messed up, but that's because he played longer than he should've with his injuries.

Did he lead with his head a lot on hits, moreso than other players?

[squrrelco3]

Originally Posted by Buster

Really, I didn't believe it. Later, we saw Mohammed Ali on TV and my wife commented on why she wonders why boxers would want to do that to themselves. I said, it doesn't happen to all of them, look at George Foreman...he's fine and he fought Ali a few times.

It's not a widespread problem with older football players. I think Waters' problems were more genetic and by chance than as a result of football. He's always had psychological issues and has been a hothead...so I don't think you can blame the sport.

Now with Aikman...yeah, he'll be messed up, but that's because he played longer than he should've with his injuries.

Did he lead with his head a lot on hits, moreso than other players?

Maybe it's like smoking...some people can smoke two packs a day and live to 110...others get lung cancer at 40 from that one second hand drag they got at a party when they were 19.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Buster

Really, I didn't believe it. Later, we saw Mohammed Ali on TV and my wife commented on why she wonders why boxers would want to do that to themselves. I said, it doesn't happen to all of them, look at George Foreman...he's fine and he fought Ali a few times.

It's not a widespread problem with older football players. I think Waters' problems were more genetic and by chance than as a result of football. He's always had psychological issues and has been a hothead...so I don't think you can blame the sport.

Now with Aikman...yeah, he'll be messed up, but that's because he played longer than he should've with his injuries.

Did he lead with his head a lot on hits, moreso than other players?

There will always be exceptions. But just because Foreman isn't a walking crash test dummie doesn't mean that all those blows to the head haven't taken their toll to some degree. Do you have any medical background to back up your claims on the study of Waters brain?

[riggoraider]

Originally Posted by Buster

Really, I didn't believe it. Later, we saw Mohammed Ali on TV and my wife commented on why she wonders why boxers would want to do that to themselves. I said, it doesn't happen to all of them, look at George Foreman...he's fine and he fought Ali a few times.

It's not a widespread problem with older football players. I think Waters' problems were more genetic and by chance than as a result of football. He's always had psychological issues and has been a hothead...so I don't think you can blame the sport.

Now with Aikman...yeah, he'll be messed up, but that's because he played longer than he should've with his injuries.

Did he lead with his head a lot on hits, moreso than other players?

I think that the shots that Waters took in football was definitely a contributor to his death

Foreman did not get hit as much as Ali and often times it just takes the RIGHT shot not the quantities of shots to the brain.

[jgalecpa]

This pathologist made an incredible lep of science.

He did not just say the injuries led to his death, he said:

"Brain damage caused on the football field ultimately led to the suicide of former NFL defensive back Andre Waters"

Since suicide is usually caused by a huge number of factors, nearly all pyschological. In fact I don't know of any neurological conditions that cause suicide".

You can be depressed over an illness, but it is the depression that causes the suicide, not the illness.

This guy sounds like he 'jumped the shark' on his conclusion.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jgalecpa

This pathologist made an incredible lep of science.

He did not just say the injuries led to his death, he said:

"Brain damage caused on the football field ultimately led to the suicide of former NFL defensive back Andre Waters"

Since suicide is usually caused by a huge number of factors, nearly all pyschological. In fact I don't know of any neurological conditions that cause suicide".

You can be depressed over an illness, but it is the depression that causes the suicide, not the illness.

This guy sounds like he 'jumped the shark' on his conclusion.

Welcome back! Where have you been? I miss 70Chip too. Where is he?

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

Originally Posted by Buster

Really, I didn't believe it. Later, we saw Mohammed Ali on TV and my wife commented on why she wonders why boxers would want to do that to themselves. I said, it doesn't happen to all of them, look at George Foreman...he's fine and he fought Ali a few times.

It's not a widespread problem with older football players. I think Waters' problems were more genetic and by chance than as a result of football. He's always had psychological issues and has been a hothead...so I don't think you can blame the sport.

Now with Aikman...yeah, he'll be messed up, but that's because he played longer than he should've with his injuries.

Did he lead with his head a lot on hits, moreso than other players?

Didn't George Foreman name every one of his sons "George?" He also says "sammich" a lot...so maybe all those punches had more of an effect than people think.

[riggoraider]

Originally Posted by AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace

Didn't George Foreman name every one of his sons "George?" He also says "sammich" a lot...so maybe all those punches had more of an effect than people think.

You may be able to thank God that your diction is better than Georges' but I am sure that he has MILLIONS of reasons to be thankful himself.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace

Didn't George Foreman name every one of his sons "George?" He also says "sammich" a lot...so maybe all those punches had more of an effect than people think.

But he's still aware enough to tell all of his Georges apart. At least I hope so.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Buster

Did he lead with his head a lot on hits, moreso than other players?

not to pile on, but Andre waters was easily THE dirtiest player the NFL has seen in a long time. would ALWAYS lead with his helmet, no matter what. but todays players, seems like are getting farther and farther from this technique. probably better coaching, starting at pee wee.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by dmek25

not to pile on, but Andre waters was easily THE dirtiest player the NFL has seen in a long time. would ALWAYS lead with his helmet, no matter what. but todays players, seems like are getting farther and farther from this technique. probably better coaching, starting at pee wee.

Yes he was , he broke J. Atkinsons ankle < he kicked for us > and Took some cheap shots at D. Williams , actually punched Williams in the stomach . As far as football / concussions leading to his death ? Anyone who played football growing up has probably had many , as with boxers and hockey players . I would assume rugby players get many of them . When we were kids < in the 70's > , we would get knocked out cold and countinue to play because head injury's never seemed to get any attention . lets hope that the medical community can find answers and cures sometime soon .