Tom "Iceman" Brady

[GiantsSuck703]

[quote=GTripp0012;271139]Well, I guess that depends on who was QBing them instead. Assuming you mean the average NFL backup, I completely and utterly agree with you on this point. And so does the rest of the world.

It's hardly mind blowing. From the top down, the Patriots are a more structurally sound organization than the Colts. Their teams have more depth on both sides of the ball. They can afford to let defensive players walk, and replace them. The Colts simply can't afford to let their players walk and stay competitive. The Patriots seem to be the more soundly coached team, though I'm tired of people kissing Belichicks ass for winning with the best team.


Why dont you ask Peyton Manning why they cant afford to replace any of there players they lose, I bet hell give you 100 million reasons. I dont know why you keep arguing for a guy that has inflated stats on his record and really nothing more, no significant playoff wins, no Superbowl wins. Look Peyton is a great player, no doubt, but the purpose of a QB is to lead his team to championships, Tom does Peyton Doesnt. You keep ranting and raving about how Tom Brady played on better teams than Peyton Manning, yet the Colts have clearly had more talent every year. Would you like to know why the Patriots had better teams than the Colts, Talent aside, because they had a true leader, a guy to rally the troops, someone who doesnt buckle under pressure, Tom Brady. He makes them a better team, because all of the players on the Patriots are willing to put there own physical health at risk to protect him, and thats why Tom Brady is a better QB, Peyton Manning can have all the statistics in the world in his favor, but at the end of the day, Tom Brady still remains the better team player, and out of the two hes the only true champ.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

Why dont you ask Peyton Manning why they cant afford to replace any of there players they lose, I bet hell give you 100 million reasons. I dont know why you keep arguing for a guy that has inflated stats on his record and really nothing more, no significant playoff wins, no Superbowl wins. Look Peyton is a great player, no doubt, but the purpose of a QB is to lead his team to championships, Tom does Peyton Doesnt. You keep ranting and raving about how Tom Brady played on better teams than Peyton Manning, yet the Colts have clearly had more talent every year. Would you like to know why the Patriots had better teams than the Colts, Talent aside, because they had a true leader, a guy to rally the troops, someone who doesnt buckle under pressure, Tom Brady. He makes them a better team, because all of the players on the Patriots are willing to put there own physical health at risk to protect him, and thats why Tom Brady is a better QB, Peyton Manning can have all the statistics in the world in his favor, but at the end of the day, Tom Brady still remains the better team player, and out of the two hes the only true champ.

You've responded to me three times and have said exactly the same thing every time. Try ingenuity. Or some light research. Either or.

What makes Tom Brady a better leader???? You obviously have inside information that the rest of us don't. Be a doll and share it.

What is your source that the Colts had more talent than the Pats?

Here's mine:
FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2006 and 2005

OR

NFL.com - NFL Stats

At least guys like The Huddle or defensewins or wolfeskins are trying to back up their opinions, I just find you ignorant so far. I implore you to prove me wrong.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You've responded to me three times and have said exactly the same thing every time. Try ingenuity. Or some light research. Either or.

What makes Tom Brady a better leader???? You obviously have inside information that the rest of us don't. Be a doll and share it.

What is your source that the Colts had more talent than the Pats?

Here's mine:
FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2006 and 2005

OR

NFL.com - NFL Stats

At least guys like The Huddle or defensewins or wolfeskins are trying to back up their opinions, I just find you ignorant so far. I implore you to prove me wrong.

Whats my source that the Colts had more talent than the patriots through the years:

Troy Brown vs. Marvin Harrison
Deion Branch vs. Reggie Wayne
Edgerin James vs. Antowain Smith
Marcus Pollard vs. Daniel Graham

ITs possible to go on and on with the individuals that were better on the colts, that were more talented physically. But everytime I tell you this, you say that it wasnt true and that no matter what Brady still had more talent on his side. The problem is you really dont understand football, its obvious in the fact that you keep arguing for a guy that has choked in every big game he has been in, you get caught up to much in stats. Let me put it to you like this, Michael Vick rushed for over 1000 yards this season, something no QB has ever done, does that make him the greatest of all time? of course not, stop looking at stats and pay attention to the more important things, like championships

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

Whats my source that the Colts had more talent than the patriots through the years:

Troy Brown vs. Marvin Harrison
Deion Branch vs. Reggie Wayne
Edgerin James vs. Antowain Smith
Marcus Pollard vs. Daniel Graham

ITs possible to go on and on with the individuals that were better on the colts, that were more talented physically. But everytime I tell you this, you say that it wasnt true and that no matter what Brady still had more talent on his side. The problem is you really dont understand football, its obvious in the fact that you keep arguing for a guy that has choked in every big game he has been in, you get caught up to much in stats. Let me put it to you like this, Michael Vick rushed for over 1000 yards this season, something no QB has ever done, does that make him the greatest of all time? of course not, stop looking at stats and pay attention to the more important things, like championships

Well, you kinda sorta almost got some facts in there. And your comment about Vick's rushing has some semblance of an arguement...almost.

You are very, very far behind in this debate. You seem to me to be the kind of guy who would post on the cbssportsline boards, and I'm guessing you are either 14 or 15. Not that it matters much, I'm pretty young myself, but you should probably stop trying to "teach" me lessons, and sit back and do some reading yourself. Since you have nothing to add, I think you can learn a lot from reading what the rest of us have to say. We've all been around this sport awhile, and can understand why teams really win and lose. I suggest you look into it.

Not trying to downright disrespect you, but you just come off as a very narrow minded, irritable individual. Maybe you aren't, but all I can judge you on is your post. And from your posts, I can tell you flat out that you are too close minded when it comes to football to possibly understand my arguement. I'm not really a smart person, I just can seperate fact from fiction.

Anyway you forgot these guys:

Tedy Bruschi vs. Rob Morris
Mike Vrabel vs Cato June
Ty Law/Asante Samuel vs. Nick Harper
Rodney Harrison vs. Bob Sanders
Richard Seymour vs. Dwight Freeney
Vince Wilfork vs Raheem Brock

Adam Vinatieri vs Mike Vanderjagt

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, you kinda sorta almost got some facts in there. And your comment about Vick's rushing has some semblance of an arguement...almost.

You are very, very far behind in this debate. You seem to me to be the kind of guy who would post on the cbssportsline boards, and I'm guessing you are either 14 or 15. Not that it matters much, I'm pretty young myself, but you should probably stop trying to "teach" me lessons, and sit back and do some reading yourself. Since you have nothing to add, I think you can learn a lot from reading what the rest of us have to say. We've all been around this sport awhile, and can understand why teams really win and lose. I suggest you look into it.

Not trying to downright disrespect you, but you just come off as a very narrow minded, irritable individual. Maybe you aren't, but all I can judge you on is your post. And from your posts, I can tell you flat out that you are too close minded when it comes to football to possibly understand my arguement. I'm not really a smart person, I just can seperate fact from fiction.

Anyway you forgot these guys:

Tedy Bruschi vs. Rob Morris
Mike Vrabel vs Cato June
Ty Law/Asante Samuel vs. Nick Harper
Rodney Harrison vs. Bob Sanders
Richard Seymour vs. Dwight Freeney
Vince Wilfork vs Raheem Brock

Adam Vinatieri vs Mike Vanderjagt

Wow i think your little age comment was funny, although i do have you by like 5 years. And trust me I was around the game for a long time. I have made point after point, yet you shoot them down, and go and ramble on about pointless stats, well let me tell you the truth, if you ask any NFL coach who they would rather have in an important situation, Brady or Manning, Im sure there wont be to many excited about Peyton. This is what you seem to forget, he was given the game last year against Pittsburgh several times, and still lost. And correct me if Im wrong, but Vanderjagt was actually the most accurate kicker for like the past 3-4 seasons, not Viniatieri. And you keep on about how I never give statistics and show valid points, I just ramble on about the same things, you blatently disregard the fact that Tom Brady has 3 superbowl rings and Peyton has none, and you say its more so about Bradys team than him, but if Peyton loses it should be held on someone elses shoulders, not the almighty Mannings. Look I understand, you like Peyton Manning, thats cool, but you really know nothing about the game, you would rather have a choke artist leading your team rather than a proven winner, and thats what tells me, you, not everyone else, needs to sit back and watch film of a genlteman named Joe Montana, he was Tom Brady before there ever was a Tom Brady, and then you will understand wow all the coaches on the face of the earth would take Montana to lead his team over the likes of stat king Dan Marino. Your problem is you like gaudy stats over a hard working guy who just goes out and gets the job done everyday the way you supposed too.

And since you like to bitch about stats so much, give me five reasons why Peyton Manning is a better leader and a better QB than Tom Brady.

[GiantsSuck703]

Do you still care to keep up with this argument, its sitting at 21-3 after Peyton the great threw his first touchdown pass of the night, unfortunately it was to asante samuel

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

Do you still care to keep up with this argument, its sitting at 21-3 after Peyton the great threw his first touchdown pass of the night, unfortunately it was to asante samuel

Let me guess. You went to bed in the 3rd quarter against Dallas two years ago....

[rome108]

The iceman just got thawed out with an int. see you in Septemeber.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, you kinda sorta almost got some facts in there. And your comment about Vick's rushing has some semblance of an arguement...almost.

You are very, very far behind in this debate. You seem to me to be the kind of guy who would post on the cbssportsline boards, and I'm guessing you are either 14 or 15. Not that it matters much, I'm pretty young myself, but you should probably stop trying to "teach" me lessons, and sit back and do some reading yourself. Since you have nothing to add, I think you can learn a lot from reading what the rest of us have to say. We've all been around this sport awhile, and can understand why teams really win and lose. I suggest you look into it.

Not trying to downright disrespect you, but you just come off as a very narrow minded, irritable individual. Maybe you aren't, but all I can judge you on is your post. And from your posts, I can tell you flat out that you are too close minded when it comes to football to possibly understand my arguement. I'm not really a smart person, I just can seperate fact from fiction.

Anyway you forgot these guys:

Tedy Bruschi vs. Rob Morris
Mike Vrabel vs Cato June
Ty Law/Asante Samuel vs. Nick Harper
Rodney Harrison vs. Bob Sanders
Richard Seymour vs. Dwight Freeney
Vince Wilfork vs Raheem Brock

Adam Vinatieri vs Mike Vanderjagt

Im close minded, you will not even listen to any one, in your mind its Peyton or no one, thats pretty close minded to me. I have never tried to "teach" you a lesson, you would take Peyton Manning if you were starting a team, thats great, I applaud you, because I would be laughing the whole time as I took Tom Brady with the next pick, you can Pay your guy 100 million dollars to choke in the playoffs, and Ill give my guy an average salary and still have three superbowl rings to put on.