Asante Samuel or Nate Clements???

[dmek25]

because smoot was a great character, and a fan favorite, people want him back? he was the third corner on the vikings. we have enough nickle backs around here, rogers included

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Originally Posted by dmek25

because smoot was a great character, and a fan favorite, people want him back? he was the third corner on the vikings. we have enough nickle backs around here, rogers included

It doesn't matter what he was on the Vikings. Unless an injury has reduced his skill he has proven that he can play well in G-Dub's defense. That is all that matters.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

It doesn't matter what he was on the Vikings. Unless an injury has reduced his skill he has proven that he can play well in G-Dub's defense. That is all that matters.

i think maybe being a 3rd corner, behind a rookie, might be an indication that his skill level has dropped

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Originally Posted by dmek25

i think maybe being a 3rd corner, behind a rookie, might be an indication that his skill level has dropped

Given all of the things that he has been involved with politics is probably just as likely.

Politics rules our team and there is no reason to think that it isn't important on other teams (especially with Smoot's track record in Minny).

[celts32]

I worry about New England guys just being system guys. Clements definitely...

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I agree. I've never seen such a mediocre crop of talent overperform so much since last year's playoff Redskins.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Aside from Tom Brady, I'd challenge anyone to really name an elite player on their offense. Their defense has more talent than their offense, but still, a lot of mediocre players over there too.

They just win, and Belicheck is the main reason they do.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Aside from Tom Brady, I'd challenge anyone to really name an elite player on their offense. Their defense has more talent than their offense, but still, a lot of mediocre players over there too.

They just win, and Belicheck is the main reason they do.

Not to say draft status is a great measure of production (it isn't), but on their offense alone:

Logan Mankins-1st round
Daniel Graham-1st round
Ben Watson-1st round
Laurence Maroney-1st round
Matt Light-2nd round
Reche Caldwell-2nd round (by San Diego)
Jabar Gaffney-2nd round (by Houston)
Chad Jackson-2nd round
Kevin Faulk-2nd round
Nick Kazur-3rd round

The Patriots have also spent second round picks on receivers Bethyl Johnson, and Deion Branch.

The point is that the Patriots have poured a bunch into their offense, 10 players were drafted in the first day, 7 of those guys are starters. So while Brady certainly is the guy who makes it all work, it shouldn't surprise anyone that wins, cause he has so much to work with.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Not to say draft status is a great measure of production (it isn't), but on their offense alone:

Logan Mankins-1st round
Daniel Graham-1st round
Ben Watson-1st round
Laurence Maroney-1st round
Matt Light-2nd round
Reche Caldwell-2nd round (by San Diego)
Jabar Gaffney-2nd round (by Houston)
Chad Jackson-2nd round
Kevin Faulk-2nd round
Nick Kazur-3rd round

The Patriots have also spent second round picks on receivers Bethyl Johnson, and Deion Branch.

The point is that the Patriots have poured a bunch into their offense, 10 players were drafted in the first day, 7 of those guys are starters. So while Brady certainly is the guy who makes it all work, it shouldn't surprise anyone that wins, cause he has so much to work with.

Noboby on that list is a top player in that league, and pretty much all of them are at best average players

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

Noboby on that list is a top player in that league, and pretty much all of them are at best average players

OK, I think you're wrong. Either way, the Patriots have invested a lot to inject talent into their offense. That's the point. Brady isn't making great players out of camp scrubs, he doing it with guys who did great in college, and had just yet to find their niche in the NFL. The Patriots (much like Joe Gibbs...but apparently not Al Saunders) are very good at maximizing the talent on their roster. So why would they go out and spend lavishly on a wideout who touches the ball on average 3-4 times a game when they can call plays that maximize the talent of guys who had considerable amounts of it, but for whatever reason nobody wanted them?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Aside from Tom Brady, I'd challenge anyone to really name an elite player on their offense. Their defense has more talent than their offense, but still, a lot of mediocre players over there too.

They just win, and Belicheck is the main reason they do.

I'd take 1 Tom Brady and 10 no-names over 1 sub-par QB and 10 good players. I think Belichick is a good coach, but I'm not sure what he would do without Brady.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'd take 1 Tom Brady and 10 no-names over 1 sub-par QB and 10 good players. I think Belichick is a good coach, but I'm not sure what he would do without Brady.

No question. His team might look like the uh, um....Browns. No, but personell has ALOT to do w/ it and kudos to them for being great at personell & draft decisions.

Give him Mark Brunell and lets see.

[Bill B]

Well it looks like Nate wants to really be paid big time:

"Clements' asking price is already high. The one-time Pro Bowl selection and six-year veteran has previously said that he wants to be the top-paid player at his position. Champ Bailey set the standard when he signed a seven-year, $63 million contract with Denver in 2004 that included an $18 million bonus."

I know the skins have given a lot of $10 million signing bonuses, but an $18 million signing bonus is a lot of dough to cough up for one player.

Buffalo Bills, Nate Clements, National Football League - CBS SportsLine.com

[dmek25]

i would say ability, and money rule. every coach in this league will put their best players on the field. and if its close, then the player making the most will play. smooty is on the downside of his career. probably out of the NFL in 2 years

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i would say ability, and money rule. every coach in this league will put their best players on the field. and if its close, then the player making the most will play. smooty is on the downside of his career. probably out of the NFL in 2 years

Honestly, have you paid attention to the Redskins the last two years? So Holdman is better and made more money than McIntosh and Lavar. I am glad that is clarified now.

When Smoot played us he didn't look like a player who would be out of the league in two years.