Asante Samuel or Nate Clements???

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I could be wrong but Washington signed something like 24 mil over 5 years. That's fair if you ask me. I saw on Sports Center that Samuel wants Champ Bailey $. 18 mil bonus. F- that!

What we need to do is go out and get a 2nd tier guy, perhaps Smoot if he is cut and hope that the rest of the guys can play better. With the 6th pick take the best player on the board. If Branch is the guy then draft him. But honestly some of the problems can be fixed by guys staying healthy, like Springs, and some playing better, like Taylor.

yeah it is fair, but you know why? cause he's playing up to it. if archuleta had 16 sacks, we wouldn't be complaining about him either.

and springs has a history of injury problems... it's just part of the deal, so you've got to have a better backup plan than crossed fingers :/.

it he worth champ bailey money? probably not, but with the huge increase in the cap, all prices are up, beyond the normal annual rate. If he gives you 12 picks a year and gives up less than 4 big plays, he'd totally be worth it, but that's very hard to predict. I'd guess he won't, since that's obviously not likely, but we're not going to be able to draft or sign anyone better as far as immediately fixing the secondary than a clements or samuels.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by That Guy

yeah it is fair, but you know why? cause he's playing up to it. if archuleta had 16 sacks, we wouldn't be complaining about him either.

and springs has a history of injury problems... it's just part of the deal, so you've got to have a better backup plan than crossed fingers :/.

it he worth champ bailey money? probably not, but with the huge increase in the cap, all prices are up, beyond the normal annual rate. If he gives you 12 picks a year and gives up less than 4 big plays, he'd totally be worth it, but that's very hard to predict. I'd guess he won't, since that's obviously not likely, but we're not going to be able to draft or sign anyone better as far as immediately fixing the secondary than a clements or samuels.

Do you honestly think NE is going to let Samuel walk and not get anything in return? Your talking about the best FO in the NFL. It's not going to happen. He's not coming here.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Do you honestly think NE is going to let Samuel walk and not get anything in return? Your talking about the best FO in the NFL. It's not going to happen. He's not coming here.

One of the reasons they're a top notch FO is because they don't overpay. That could very well be the reason why they let him go. However, if they have the cap space to franchise him, then I can't see why they wouldn't.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Do you honestly think NE is going to let Samuel walk and not get anything in return? Your talking about the best FO in the NFL. It's not going to happen. He's not coming here.

did i ever say he was?

[SmootSmack]

The Patriots let guys go all the time. Unless I'm mistaken.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

The Patriots let guys go all the time. Unless I'm mistaken.

True. But they are going to get value for a top notch NFL corner that is in his prime. Trust me. He's not going to walk and they get nothing. The players that they let go did not command Samuel's value. Look at what they did with Deion Branch. Branch has value and they got something for him.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

True. But they are going to get value for a top notch NFL corner that is in his prime. Trust me. He's not going to walk and they get nothing. The players that they let go did not command Samuel's value. Look at what they did with Deion Branch. Branch has value and they got something for him.

Did they get anything for guys like Law, McGinnest, Givens, and Viniatieri? Not trying to be a pain, I really don't recall. I'm inclined to think they didn't. Sometimes there's nothing a team can do when a player wants to leave. Not knocking the Pats organization by any means. Just saying sometimes things are out of their control. Just like any team.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Did they get anything for guys like Law, McGinnest, Givens, and Viniatieri? Not trying to be a pain, I really don't recall. I'm inclined to think they didn't. Sometimes there's nothing a team can do when a player wants to leave. Not knocking the Pats organization by any means. Just saying sometimes things are out of their control. Just like any team.

I think with Viniateri and Givens they felt they could replace both with drafting the new kicker and Chad Jackson. McGinnest is in his mid 30's so I guess they felt he was on the downside. But Ty Law (and Lawyer Malloy) is interesting. I know Law hurt his foot during one of the SB runs and could not play. I wonder if they did get anything back for those guys. I honestly don't remember. But I already heard on Sports Center that they are planning to franchise Samuel if they can't get a deal done.