Huge Cushion

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

The question wasn't about why Rogers was getting beat....of course no coach would tell his player that?

Let's just see if there is a repeat of last year before we conclude that Rogers suck.

Sorry, no coach tells his players to sit and wait and put a huge cushion between himself and the guy he is defending... Rogers had cement in his shoes.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Sorry, no coach tells his players to sit and wait and put a huge cushion between himself and the guy he is defending... Rogers had cement in his shoes.

Ummm....I think Rogers was doing exactly what they told him to do, which was give a cushion.

Now maybe Williams had him play that way because of lack of pass rush up front, I don't know.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Ummm....I think Rogers was doing exactly what they told him to do, which was give a cushion.

Now maybe Williams had him play that way because of lack of pass rush up front, I don't know.

Is Rogers your brother or something? You are always defending him and he SUCKED last year. I don't care how talented you are, if you are can't catch the damn ball, tackle a guy, rush a guy, and when you do "try" you end up getting an interference call - YOU SUCK.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Is Rogers your brother or something? You are always defending him and he SUCKED last year. I don't care how talented you are, if you are can't catch the damn ball, tackle a guy, rush a guy, and when you do "try" you end up getting an interference call - YOU SUCK.

I don't think I'm defending him, per se. I just think he'll get better, or at least he should get better. I'm more critical of our defensive coaching staff than I am of any one player on are team though.

I don't think this staff has put this group of players in the best situations to succeed. That's what good coaches do; They make do with the talent they have. Our defense has been on a gradual slide since 2004.

I bet, and this is total conjecture on my part, if you put Rogers on a team like the Ravens, he'd be a beast!

Are we brothers? Yes, but I'm the good looking one

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I don't think this staff has put this group of players in the best situations to succeed. That's what good coaches do; They make do with the talent they have. Our defense has been on a gradual slide since 2004.

I agree, but I also think our defense is not nearly as talented as we think it is. On the defensive line, Griffin is our only star and he's either getting doubled or is injured, or both. We plugged in guys at DT (e.g., Salave'a, Golston, and Daniels) who would be backups on other teams. At linebacker, Washington is the only star and teams simply ran away from him. How many teams would have started Warrick Holdman? In the secondary, Springs was out all season, Rogers is still learning the ropes and could be a bust, and who the hell is Vernon Fox?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I agree, but I also think our defense is not nearly as talented as we think it is. On the defensive line, Griffin is our only star and he's either getting doubled or is injured, or both. We plugged in guys at DT (e.g., Salave'a, Golston, and Daniels) who would be backups on other teams. At linebacker, Washington is the only star and teams simply ran away from him. How many teams would have started Warrick Holdman? In the secondary, Springs was out all season, Rogers is still learning the ropes and could be a bust, and who the hell is Vernon Fox?

I no longer consider Griffin a star. In fact, if I had to absolutely pin our woes on one player, it would be Griffin. This is unfair, but he didn't even play well when he was healthy. For Sean Taylor to lead the team in tacklesk, by a wide margin, is unacceptable. I think Griff had some rediculous number, like 50 something tackles this year. Oh well.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I no longer consider Griffin a star. In fact, if I had to absolutely pin our woes on one player, it would be Griffin. This is unfair, but he didn't even play well when he was healthy. For Sean Taylor to lead the team in tacklesk, by a wide margin, is unacceptable. I think Griff had some rediculous number, like 50 something tackles this year. Oh well.

Wait, are you saying that 50 tackles for Griff is bad or good? Because 50 tackles for a DT is outstanding when you consider that he was injured all season long and was the only guy on the line drawing double teams. That stat seems to indicate he can still play. I don't think we've heard the last of Griffin, particularly if we get someone to play alongside him like Alan Branch.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Sorry, no coach tells his players to sit and wait and put a huge cushion between himself and the guy he is defending... Rogers had cement in his shoes.

Sorry but no coach would put up with a player giving that big of a cushion.

[ncskinsfanec]

Before you disparage Greg Williams any more you have to remember what a great coordinator he's been in this league. He had our defense in the top 10 two straight years and helped get the Titans to the Super Bowl in '99. Like everyone else on the team it was just a down year all around.