Doug Williams said Wha'?

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I understand your sentiments and respect them, but I disagree with them. But in my opinion race is still an issue in football. For years many thought that black football players were good at running and catching, but lacked the mental acumen to play QB. That stereotype persists to this day, albeit behind closed doors (I've heard people express as much). That is, IMHO, why you see so many black football players at WR, CB, RB, LB, and along the lines, but not at QB.

The reason why Bart Starr's race was not pointed out was simply because he was white, it was not unusual. The reason why Jackie Robinson's race is pointed out is that he was a trailblazer and dealt with a tremendous amount of adversity on account of his race. While I understand the belief that we shouldn't talk about race, its simply a fact that it does have an impact (albeit less and less of an impact over time as society becomes more tolerant).

I agree with you but I don't see racism as much concerning QB as much as in the front office and high profile positions (coach/GM). The good thing about the SB this year is that it will most likely break down some of the stereotypes present in the hiring practices. It 10-15 years minority coaches and GM's will be everywhere.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

I agree with you but I don't see racism as much concerning QB as much as in the front office and high profile positions (coach/GM). The good thing about the SB this year is that it will most likely break down some of the stereotypes present in the hiring practices. It 10-15 years minority coaches and GM's will be everywhere.

Excellent point.

Also, I obviously agree with the general point that it would nice to live in a colorless society. And, to a certain extent, I agree that singling out someone as a minority for special recognition further divides the races.

Nevertheless, I feel that people like Jackie Robinson should be celebrated for their trailblazing. The simple fact is that what we want (i.e. a colorless society) is different from what we've got (i.e. a generally tolerant society, but one in which race does matter).

As I said before, I think there are legitimate arguments on both sides of this debate and I'm happy that we can discuss this civilly and intelligently.

[SmootSmack]

While there aren't that many African-American (or Latino or Asian, etc.) front office executives in the NFL, I think it was a relatively good sign that very little to no mention was made of the fact that Jerry Reese is African-American when he was named New York Giants General Manager.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

While there aren't that many African-American (or Latino or Asian, etc.) front office executives in the NFL, I think it was a relatively good sign that very little to no mention was made of the fact that Jerry Reese is African-American when he was named New York Giants General Manager.

That is a great example of how the world should work. I'd much prefer if we didn't celebrate race at all. I just think that if we are truly advancing there needs to be a point when we as a society stop celebrating accomplishments or milestones that are primarily based on race. But alas I don't think we'll ever see this because we have too many people and things we celebrate this way.

For example: Would reaching this point mean we'd have to ultimately devalue the accomplishemnets of MLK?

[SkinEmAll]

kill all the white people.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SkinEmAll

kill all the white people.

Obviously I know that you are joking, but where the hell did that one come from?

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by SkinEmAll

kill all the white people.

what the hell is that supposed to mean?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by dmek25

what the hell is that supposed to mean?

Either (a) the guy is a total looney and needs to be banned because he actually meant it; or (b) he was trying to make a joke who's meaning is totally indecipherable and one that is just plain dumb.

Gotta explain captain.

[IHATECOVER2]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Either (a) the guy is a total looney and needs to be banned because he actually meant it; or (b) he was trying to make a joke who's meaning is totally indecipherable and one that is just plain dumb.

Gotta explain captain.

Wow...chill out people. I've never been in such a goddamn smug chat room in my life...

My advice, Sherrif and dmek is to google, "sarcasm" and see what you find.

Get back to me with the results captain pointdexter

Hail

[SkinEmAll]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Either (a) the guy is a total looney and needs to be banned because he actually meant it; or (b) he was trying to make a joke who's meaning is totally indecipherable and one that is just plain dumb.

Gotta explain captain.

Guys, Im sorry!! I meant to follow up with that post, but the family needed me and then company stopped by to visit. I promise Im not a looney and I guess the joke really doesnt reach far out of my little circle. Anyway there is a band,Type O Negative, who are not a racial band by the way, who have a song, Kill all the white people, that really is a joke song. It has no true meaning, and is kinda of tongue in cheek. A friend of mineback then, who was black, would always start singing the lyrics to this song anytime race was discussed, as a joke ofcoarse. So there you go, please dont be offended, and if anyone was or just thought Ive flipped my lid, I apologize sincerely. And just for the record I think it is way cool that we have two black coaches going to the superbowl, but more importantly we have two GREAT and derserving coaches going to the superbowl.

[IHATECOVER2]

yeah, and why your at it, you might think about dropping your web server into some kind of RAID array to free up some resources and better yet, go by some more RAM...Why does this site load like a one-armed skeet shooter?

oh and about Doug Williams, I'm sure he was paid by the NFL to say those words in that AP interview. Hell, the whole entire media is going to have to acknowledge the fact that two "African-Americans" did something "good". I equate this mentality to saying, "awwww, look at what they did, isn't that cute"

I agree with earlier comments in this post about our sick-ass society eventually manifesting towards a colorless schematic. That would be fantastic. The infiltration of Affirmative Action and "oh, make sure you remind TB and the gang to mention the fact that Lovie and Dungy are African-Americans..."

I'm sick of it, a man is a man, and a woman is a woman, no matter what color, creed, race or religion you are.

Hail

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by IHATECOVER2

yeah, and why your at it, you might think about dropping your web server into some kind of RAID array to free up some resources and better yet, go by some more RAM...Why does this site load like a one-armed skeet shooter?

oh and about Doug Williams, I'm sure he was paid by the NFL to say those words in that AP interview. Hell, the whole entire media is going to have to acknowledge the fact that two "African-Americans" did something "good". I equate this mentality to saying, "awwww, look at what they did, isn't that cute"

I agree with earlier comments in this post about our sick-ass society eventually manifesting towards a colorless schematic. That would be fantastic. The infiltration of Affirmative Action and "oh, make sure you remind TB and the gang to mention the fact that Lovie and Dungy are African-Americans..."

I'm sick of it, a man is a man, and a woman is a woman, no matter what color, creed, race or religion you are.

Hail

Well I agree with the last sentence. But, as for the first sentence-first off, are a lot of people here having a problem loading this site? Secondly, IHATECOVER2 why do you keep coming back if you like to bitch so much about this site?

[Longtimefan]

It would appear the point Doug was trying to make was that winning super bowl XXII and being the MVP was not as important as seeing minorities have opportunities in coaching, as well as im management.

It would be interesting to witness who in the media would ask Rex Grossman or Peyton Manning; How does it feel to be the 40th white QB to win the SB.

[SmootSmack]

It would be especially nice for Dungy, who essentially put together the team that Gruden took to the Super Bowl in Tampa. Plus you look at African-American head coaches around the NFL and they are Dungy disciples-lovie smith, herm edwards, and mike tomlin.

[Hijinx]

I remember a few years back when the press was making a big deal about Ed McCaffrey, (the WR from Denver). They kept saying things like he is fast even though he is white. Like they couldn't believe it or something, as if he really wasn't a white guy he just had a really good disguise.
The same thing with Jason Sehorn a few years ago. If I had to hear about the "only white starting CB in the NFL", one more time I was going to hurl something at my TV.

Basically what I am saying is that the racism cuts both ways.