No progress in Derrick Dockery Negotiations....

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by offiss

The guy is nothing, and I mean NOTHING special, 6mil, and 9mil? I would tell him don't let the door hit you in the A**!

But here's a scenerio, Offiss. Suppose you let D.Dock go. Okay, fine. Then you replace him with, first of all, who? And then at what price?

Let's say you get a guy comparable to Dockery in size, age, and perhaps ability. How do you determine this guys worth? Even if you bring in this guy at a cheaper price, is he really going to be that much cheaper? And was that dollar amount, maybe $1 or $2 million worth disrupting a line that is on the cusp of being dominate?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

But here's a scenerio, Offiss. Suppose you let D.Dock go. Okay, fine. Then you replace him with, first of all, who? And then at what price?

Let's say you get a guy comparable to Dockery in size, age, and perhaps ability. How do you determine this guys worth? Even if you bring in this guy at a cheaper price, is he really going to be that much cheaper? And was that dollar amount, maybe $1 or $2 million worth disrupting a line that is on the cusp of being dominate?

Here's the real problem which exists not only on this board but throughout the Skins organization, why is the first response to personel have to be who do we sign, or who is a free agent, or who do we trade for??????? There is a little something called the draft, some teams actually use it to build championship teams. Reason? If you have a clue on how to evaluate talent then you can find pro-bowl caliber players, or at least players who can fill a role on a championship team at very reasonable cap friendly price. Now if you can't evaluate talent then I would still suggest useing the draft because the players that you draft and sign [unless it's a top 5 pick] will not throw your salary cap out of whack, unlike free agents who demand top dollar. Yes I am sure there is absolutly no one in the draft capable of at least playing as well as Dock let alone better, not that we could find them, so we will just continue to overpay for average talent.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by offiss

Here's the real problem which exists not only on this board but throughout the Skins organization, why is the first response to personel have to be who do we sign, or who is a free agent, or who do we trade for??????? There is a little something called the draft, some teams actually use it to build championship teams. Reason? If you have a clue on how to evaluate talent then you can find pro-bowl caliber players, or at least players who can fill a role on a championship team at very reasonable cap friendly price. Now if you can't evaluate talent then I would still suggest useing the draft because the players that you draft and sign [unless it's a top 5 pick] will not throw your salary cap out of whack, unlike free agents who demand top dollar. Yes I am sure there is absolutly no one in the draft capable of at least playing as well as Dock let alone better, not that we could find them, so we will just continue to overpay for average talent.

And Dockery actually WAS someone who we used through this draft thing you talk about, really I am so forgien to the concept of drafting our own players too. But so why would we want to get rid of one of hte few people we actually DID draft and is one of our own. Wasent that the big problem with Smoot/Perice/Clark...ect? Plus we dont have anyone that we've actually drafted latley that could fill in. I dont know about you, but I dont know how many teams start rookies on the offensive line who werent taken in the first round, and if we have to waste our 6th pick on a freaking offensive linemen, it will speak even more to the total incompetence of this front office.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

And Dockery actually WAS someone who we used through this draft thing you talk about, really I am so forgien to the concept of drafting our own players too. But so why would we want to get rid of one of hte few people we actually DID draft and is one of our own. Wasent that the big problem with Smoot/Perice/Clark...ect? Plus we dont have anyone that we've actually drafted latley that could fill in. I dont know about you, but I dont know how many teams start rookies on the offensive line who werent taken in the first round, and if we have to waste our 6th pick on a freaking offensive linemen, it will speak even more to the total incompetence of this front office.

That's it exactly.

Dockery is a guy we drafted and if this front office is serious about this core Redskin stuff then taking care of one of our own for once would be a nice step in that direction. I'd rather overpay for our own talent than someone else's.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by offiss

Here's the real problem which exists not only on this board but throughout the Skins organization, why is the first response to personel have to be who do we sign, or who is a free agent, or who do we trade for??????? There is a little something called the draft, some teams actually use it to build championship teams. Reason? If you have a clue on how to evaluate talent then you can find pro-bowl caliber players, or at least players who can fill a role on a championship team at very reasonable cap friendly price. Now if you can't evaluate talent then I would still suggest useing the draft because the players that you draft and sign [unless it's a top 5 pick] will not throw your salary cap out of whack, unlike free agents who demand top dollar. Yes I am sure there is absolutly no one in the draft capable of at least playing as well as Dock let alone better, not that we could find them, so we will just continue to overpay for average talent.

Well, I'll be the first to admit I'm not a talent evaluator, and quite frankly I make no apologies for that. But I do know football.

As far as the Redskins not knowing anything about the draft, I'll have to somewhat disagree there too. We ended the season with 12 starters that were drafted or began their career as a Washington Redskin. That's better than the majority of the teams in the NFL. I would guess not more than two thirds of the teams in the league had that number of guys end the season who began their career with said team.

So the point about letting Dockery walk becasue he's average talent and we can somehow do better in the draft is a moot point. Especially since Dockery is homegrown.

[70Chip]

Here's the problem with Dockery. Yes he played great last year and was blowing people up all over the field, but why did he wait until this year to do it? Because his contract was up. He should have been playing like that from the opening bell. Instead he took it easy the first few years which is what he is most likely to do again if he is rewarded with a huge contract.

We should make an offer based on his entire career which would put him somewhere in the middle and if some other team wants to pay more which they most certainly will and he wants to go someplace where he will have to pass protect 35 times or more a game then he can leave. If he wants to stay here he will make less but he gets to mash people 40 times a game and pass protect maybe 20. The choice is his more than it is the Redskins. That's how I would play it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Here's the problem with Dockery. Yes he played great last year and was blowing people up all over the field, but why did he wait until this year to do it? Because his contract was up. He should have been playing like that from the opening bell. Instead he took it easy the first few years which is what he is most likely to do again if he is rewarded with a huge contract.

I really disagree.

He's gotten his weight down and improved his technique and he finally blossomed. I really don't think he was just waiting for his contract year to play well.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I really disagree.

He's gotten his weight down and improved his technique and he finally blossomed. I really don't think he was just waiting for his contract year to play well.

I agree...when you watch the video of him in the years past, it wasn't that he was lazy or anything, he just was out of position or getting rushed at the line and couldn't handle it (ie: technique), he came a long way this year. Keep in mind that he was VERY green behind the ear when we drafted him, and even though he was taken high by us, several scouts said he was a work in progress and would take a couple years to blossom. They were right.