Norv Turner Era: Success or Failure?

[irish]

Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

Is he better than the guy we have now? What's his name, oh yeah, Gibbs I think.

Is he better than the Joe Gibbs that coached this team in the 80s, I dont think so. Is he better than the Joe Gibbs coaching the team now, it seems as if he might be.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by irish

Is he better than the Joe Gibbs that coached this team in the 80s, I dont think so. Is he better than the Joe Gibbs coaching the team now, it seems as if he might be.

He's the same guy.

[irish]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He's the same guy.

No he's not.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by irish

No he's not.

Wait so Joe Gibbs 2 is an imposter? Where are you getting your info?

[irish]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Wait so Joe Gibbs 2 is an imposter? Where are you getting your info?

I know this guy has the same name and Social Security Number but as a coach he's just not the same guy. He's older and mellower and has given the most important aspects of the job to Al Saunders. The old Joe Gibbs would never have done that.

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by irish

I know this guy has the same name and Social Security Number but as a coach he's just not the same guy. He's older and mellower and has given the most important aspects of the job to Al Saunders. The old Joe Gibbs would never have done that.

His age certainly isn't helping him these days, which is just how it is. I wish he was still running the offense, but he probably just doesn't have the energy he did in his coaching prime. I still would take Gibbs over most any other coach, still. I think he proved last season that he still has it, and after he gave the team a tongue lashing before the Carolina game the team responded. Don't judge the man based on the three losing seasons he's had, look at the 12 winning season's he's had. Fact of the matter is, Gibbs is a victim of his own success, he's just held to a different standard than almost every one else.

[irish]

Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

His age certainly isn't helping him these days, which is just how it is. I wish he was still running the offense, but he probably just doesn't have the energy he did in his coaching prime. I still would take Gibbs over most any other coach, still. I think he proved last season that he still has it, and after he gave the team a tongue lashing before the Carolina game the team responded. Don't judge the man based on the three losing seasons he's had, look at the 12 winning season's he's had. Fact of the matter is, Gibbs is a victim of his own success, he's just held to a different standard than almost every one else.

I said in a prior post that Gibbs in the 80s was a great coach. Gibbs in 2006 is at best a mediocre coach. In the history of the NFL Gibbs will go down as a great coach but in the NFL of 2007 there are a lot of other coaches I'd rather have. Now the question becomes would those coaches I'd prefer over Gibbs actaully fare better than Gibbs in the Redskins screwed-up organization? I'm not sure.

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by irish

Is he better than the Joe Gibbs that coached this team in the 80s, I dont think so. Is he better than the Joe Gibbs coaching the team now, it seems as if he might be.

Give me a break! You can't tell me with a staight face that Norv Turner is better than Joe Gibbs under any circumstances, not even as an offensive coordinator.

[irish]

Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

Give me a break! You can't tell me with a staight face that Norv Turner is better than Joe Gibbs under any circumstances, not even as an offensive coordinator.

At this moment in time I think Norv and Joe are about equal. I never thought I'd say that but Joe just does not have it in today's NFL.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

At this moment in time I think Norv and Joe are about equal. I never thought I'd say that but Joe just does not have it in today's NFL.

You know what's funny? All this talk recently about how Dungy has shown that you don't have to be a hard-ass drill sargeant coach to win a Super Bowl, unlike the Parcells, Billicks, and Belichicks of the world.

I'm sorry, didn't Gibbs demonstrate that three different times?

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

You know what's funny? All this talk recently about how Dungy has shown that you don't have to be a hard-ass drill sargeant coach to win a Super Bowl, unlike the Parcells, Billicks, and Belichicks of the world.

I'm sorry, didn't Gibbs demonstrate that three different times?

Yes, he sure did.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by irish

At this moment in time I think Norv and Joe are about equal. I never thought I'd say that but Joe just does not have it in today's NFL.

One thing a HC has to do is command respect from his players. Norv will never do this when he walks in a room. He may be a great play caller and O/C but that's it. He will never be a leader of men. At least Joe still commands the respect from his players.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by irish

At this moment in time I think Norv and Joe are about equal. I never thought I'd say that but Joe just does not have it in today's NFL.

Huh? When has Norv proved that he has had "it" ever?

Norv is a great offensive coordinator. That is it.