Colin Cowherd Takes Another Swipe

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Don't get me wrong I'm not backing the current front office philosophy, but it is what it is.

I can probably tell you what Gibbs and co. are thinking.

They're thinking look what happened in 2005... they've shown they can win and get to the playoffs with this current setup and personnel strategy. I'm sure they will look at last year and learn some valuable lessons, and they will look to replicate the same success they had from bringing in guys like Moss, Springs, Griffin, Washington, etc., rather than bombs like Arch and Lloyd.

Well if that's what they are doing then may God help us.

Can someone tell me what was so impressive about 05? Let's face it. Some of those 10 wins were not very impressive. I know some of you are going to rip me but I don't care. Beating Ariz does not impress me. Beating a bunch of bad teams without their starting qb's down the stretch is not impressive to me. Losing to Norv Turner at home is ridicules. Beating Kyle Orton does not impress me. You saw the difference when Marc Bulger started this past year vs. 05 when STL had some 3rd stringer named Fitzpatirck starting. Bulger killed our defense. Simply put we all saw the difference when we played tougher teams. I'm glad we made the playoffs and I was cheering my ass off but let's keep it real.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well if that's what they are doing then may God help us.

Can someone tell me what was so impressive about 05? Let's face it. Some of those 10 wins were not very impressive. I know some of you are going to rip me but I don't care. Beating Ariz does not impress me. Beating a bunch of bad teams without their starting qb's down the stretch is not impressive to me. Losing to Norv Turner at home is ridicules. Beating Kyle Orton does not impress me. You saw the difference when Marc Bulger started vs. 05 when STL had some 3rd stringer named Fitzpatirck starting. You also saw the difference when we played tougher teams. I'm glad we made the playoffs and I was cheering my ass off but let's keep it real.

End result was the playoffs and a playoff win to boot.

Pick it apart any way you want, but it was a playoff season. That's the reality of it.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well if that's what they are doing then may God help us.

Can someone tell me what was so impressive about 05? Let's face it. Some of those 10 wins were not very impressive. I know some of you are going to rip me but I don't care. Beating Ariz does not impress me. Beating a bunch of bad teams without their starting qb's down the stretch is not impressive to me. Losing to Norv Turner at home is ridicules. Beating Kyle Orton does not impress me. You saw the difference when Marc Bulger started this past year vs. 05 when STL had some 3rd stringer named Fitzpatirck starting. Bulger killed our defense. Simply put we all saw the difference when we played tougher teams. I'm glad we made the playoffs and I was cheering my ass off but let's keep it real.

How many impressive victories do you think the average playoff team has? In 2005, we had the 2nd toughest schedule of any team in the NFL (SD was No. 1). In 2005, we blew out a few teams, some crappy, some good. Blowout victories are usually very indicitive of team dominance. This year, we blew nobody out, and got boned in some close games that we should have won, and ended up losing. We were much better than 5-11, I think, but we left crappy teams in the game--something that the 05 team never did (outside of the Oakland game last season--very telling of things to come). This allowed inferior rosters like Tennessee and Minnesota to win close games against us.

Bottom line: if we want to get back to winning, this team will have to show that it can dominate some games in 2007.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

How many impressive victories do you think the average playoff team has? In 2005, we had the 2nd toughest schedule of any team in the NFL (SD was No. 1). In 2005, we blew out a few teams, some crappy, some good. Blowout victories are usually very indicitive of team dominance. This year, we blew nobody out, and got boned in some close games that we should have won, and ended up losing. We were much better than 5-11, I think, but we left crappy teams in the game--something that the 05 team never did (outside of the Oakland game last season--very telling of things to come). This allowed inferior rosters like Tennessee and Minnesota to win close games against us.

Bottom line: if we want to get back to winning, this team will have to show that it can dominate some games in 2007.

if you want to say we lost games we should have won, well we definately won a game or two that could have gone the other way. Dallas comes to mind, Jacksonville. The only impressive win I can think of from last year was the New Orleans game. that was a total team effort and looked like a playoff team. The other 15 games, not so rememberable as team dominance.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

if you want to say we lost games we should have won, well we definately won a game or two that could have gone the other way. Dallas comes to mind, Jacksonville. The only impressive win I can think of from last year was the New Orleans game. that was a total team effort and looked like a playoff team. The other 15 games, not so rememberable as team dominance.

Certainly Dallas and Jacksonville were two games that could have gone both ways, and went in our favor. But so were Minnesota, Tennessee, Tampa Bay, Philadelphia, and St. Louis. My point was that a good team, like the 05 team, would have dominated a good percentage of those teams. We dominated nobody, and in close games, it essentially becomes a toss up. Who recovers the fumble? Who gets the holding flag thrown on them? Who makes the play? Who uncharistically misses a tackle? In 5 of those 7 games, it wasn't us.

[SkinEmAll]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well if that's what they are doing then may God help us.

Can someone tell me what was so impressive about 05? Let's face it. Some of those 10 wins were not very impressive. I know some of you are going to rip me but I don't care. Beating Ariz does not impress me. Beating a bunch of bad teams without their starting qb's down the stretch is not impressive to me. Losing to Norv Turner at home is ridicules. Beating Kyle Orton does not impress me. You saw the difference when Marc Bulger started this past year vs. 05 when STL had some 3rd stringer named Fitzpatirck starting. Bulger killed our defense. Simply put we all saw the difference when we played tougher teams. I'm glad we made the playoffs and I was cheering my ass off but let's keep it real.

Bro, not trying to be a set of donkey balls here, but I dont think I have a choice. I think you might be able to find something wrong and/or to nit pick about if we went 16-0 and won the superbowl 105-3.
Dont get me wrong, the redskins have issues for sure, but..... lets keep it real.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SkinEmAll

Bro, not trying to be a set of donkey balls here, but I dont think I have a choice. I think you might be able to find something wrong and/or to nit pick about if we went 16-0 and won the superbowl 105-3.
Dont get me wrong, the redskins have issues for sure, but..... lets keep it real.

Not true at all.

[Longtimefan]

Just about everything that can be said about this subject has already been said, but there is one thing I think we all want to see, and that is our team be consistently competitive on a sustained basis. I'm convinced in order to achieve this, we have to abandon that win now at all costs philosophy, place more value on the draft with emphasis on long term success as opposed to short term fixes.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well if that's what they are doing then may God help us.

Can someone tell me what was so impressive about 05? Let's face it. Some of those 10 wins were not very impressive. I know some of you are going to rip me but I don't care. Beating Ariz does not impress me. Beating a bunch of bad teams without their starting qb's down the stretch is not impressive to me. Losing to Norv Turner at home is ridicules. Beating Kyle Orton does not impress me. You saw the difference when Marc Bulger started this past year vs. 05 when STL had some 3rd stringer named Fitzpatirck starting. Bulger killed our defense. Simply put we all saw the difference when we played tougher teams. I'm glad we made the playoffs and I was cheering my ass off but let's keep it real.

Well, as has been mentioned, you play the games you're scheduled to play. And the good teams, like the 2005 Redskins, beat the teams they're supposed to beat.

Should Colts fans celebrate a great season that culminated in a Super Bowl win? Or should they say it's not so impressive because they barely beat Vince Young in his second career start, squeaked by the Dolphins in Cleo Lemon's first start, lost to the 8-8 Titans and Jaguars, lost to the Texans, oh and not to mention beat the Redskins which, by your logic, isn't impressive?

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well if that's what they are doing then may God help us.

Can someone tell me what was so impressive about 05? Let's face it. Some of those 10 wins were not very impressive. I know some of you are going to rip me but I don't care. Beating Ariz does not impress me. Beating a bunch of bad teams without their starting qb's down the stretch is not impressive to me. Losing to Norv Turner at home is ridicules. Beating Kyle Orton does not impress me. You saw the difference when Marc Bulger started this past year vs. 05 when STL had some 3rd stringer named Fitzpatirck starting. Bulger killed our defense. Simply put we all saw the difference when we played tougher teams. I'm glad we made the playoffs and I was cheering my ass off but let's keep it real.

So going 5-1 in the NFC east is not impressive to you, the only loss coming to the Giants, at giant stadium, after the death of an iconic figure in wellington mara. Going 10-2 in the NFC all together, which actually should have been 11-1 if you count the robbery in Tampa, is not impressive. Going to Tampa and beating them on there home field in the playoffs is not that impressive to you. Doing all this with a 35 year old QB, A second reciever named David Patten, a starting Defense that had guys like Lemar Marshall,Ryan Clark,Walt Harris,Joe Salavea,Demetric Evans and Phillip Daniels, all guys considered expandable every where else isnt impressive to you. If you dont understand how good the 05' team actually was, then you dont really understand football.

The five game winning streak was pretty amazing, they had to beat Arizona and St.louis on the road, even though they were not great teams, they still were not home games, and then they had to beat the Giants, the Cowboys and the Eagles to make the playoffs and they did.
Thats pretty damn good if you ask me.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

So going 5-1 in the NFC east is not impressive to you, the only loss coming to the Giants, at giant stadium, after the death of an iconic figure in wellington mara. Going 10-2 in the NFC all together, which actually should have been 11-1 if you count the robbery in Tampa, is not impressive. Going to Tampa and beating them on there home field in the playoffs is not that impressive to you. Doing all this with a 35 year old QB, A second reciever named David Patten, a starting Defense that had guys like Lemar Marshall,Ryan Clark,Walt Harris,Joe Salavea,Demetric Evans and Phillip Daniels, all guys considered expandable every where else isnt impressive to you. If you dont understand how good the 05' team actually was, then you dont really understand football.

The five game winning streak was pretty amazing, they had to beat Arizona and St.louis on the road, even though they were not great teams, they still were not home games, and then they had to beat the Giants, the Cowboys and the Eagles to make the playoffs and they did.
Thats pretty damn good if you ask me.

Don't attribute that Giants loss to Mara's death, that's just a media story. On the field, I'm sure the fact that the owner of the Giants had died earlier that week was not something either team was considering given the complexities of an NFL offense/defense. We were outplayed badly, and it was a cause for concern.

That said, what told me that that team was going to be alright is that the week after that bloodbath, they returned home to play the 49ers. Now the 49ers were a bad team at the time, but many weaker teams would have a propensity to alter the gameplan to make sure you beat a team like SF after such a hard defeat the week before--and the 2005 team goes out and beats SF every bit as bad as they were beaten by the Giants a week before. That game, as seemingly meaningless as it was, told me that this team was for real.

Call me crazy, but if we beat the 49ers 28-27 on that day, I don't think we are going to make the playoffs.

Good teams beat bad opponents by big margins most of the time.

-EDIT- The 49er game happened before the Giants game. Still, same point stands, and the Eagle victory at home was pretty impressive also, I think.