The Ramsey Dilemma

[MTK]

There's no dilemma to me. Ramsey needs to ride the pine a while until he picks up the offense. Once he has the basics down he'll be ready for some playing time. Ramsey should push for the starting job next year. Until then it's Brunell's team.

By the way who left the barn door open and let this cowgirls fan in? Kinda funny how he mentions Steven Jackson being a good fit here, couldn't the same be said for Dallas?? Instead they traded down for Julius Jones. It will be interesting to see how that pans out.

Also, who got slapped in the face? Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Dallas have a 40 year old starter and 2 very green backups at QB?? If anyone needed to pursue an experienced QB it was definitely Dallas. Some very nice non-moves there!

[la73hof]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

There's no dilemma to me. Ramsey needs to ride the pine a while until he picks up the offense. Once he has the basics down he'll be ready for some playing time. Ramsey should push for the starting job next year. Until then it's Brunell's team.

By the way who left the barn door open and let this cowgirls fan in? Kinda funny how he mentions Steven Jackson being a good fit here, couldn't the same be said for Dallas?? Instead they traded down for Julius Jones. It will be interesting to see how that pans out.

Also, who got slapped in the face? Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Dallas have a 40 year old starter and 2 very green backups at QB?? If anyone needed to pursue an experienced QB it was definitely Dallas. Some very nice non-moves there!

Maurice Carthon, would was jumping on a table (as its been told) back in '95 to draft Curtis Martin

BP sees Jones in the same light as CM. BP told Jones that if he was available in the 2nd and the Cowboys hadnt drafted a RB at that point, he was going to pick Jones.

BP is a man of his word

BP has mentioned perhaps bringing a vet back up behind VT (Lucas?) but is leaning toward keeping Henson and Romo

BP @ a recent press concerence said he isnt going to being in a vet just for the sake of bringing in a vet.--referencing the failed Mirer experiment after VT went down in the '99 season opener with a blown out achilles

Even if we do, the vet will only have a few weeks to get acclimated to the system. Henson has been here since March. While he made a rookie mistake by eyeballing his intended target @ Houston @ the goal line and getting picked off, he has been a revelation. A great arm, accuracy, pocket awareness, instincts and quick release

Id rather go through growing pains with a guy with seemingly unlimited upside, than go through the same with a back up

'05 will be the year of the legitimate push--but not to say we'll miss the playoffs this year--I like our chances

[Daseal]

Guys, Brunell won't see most of that money!

[MTK]

Who cares about the money or the cap right now? All that matters is the '04 season.

We'll cross those bridges when we come to them.

[Gmanc711]

I think Ramsey has just learned all the wrong things under Steven Spurrier. Thats not to say that steve didnt do some good for Ramsey, cause I'm sure he did. He, however also messed him up alot I think. Ramsey needs to defintley sit unless theres an injury this season, and pick up the offense. He's just plain not ready, which really is dissapointing to me, cause I really wanted him to lead this team.

Next season, I think we will see a different Ramsey, but right now, hes just not doing as well as he is capable, obviously. I think it all has to do with learning the system.

[MTK]

True this isn't the AFC West, so let's look at some games outside of the AFC West to see how Portis has done. These are all of the games outside of the West that he has started in his career.


2003
Cincinnati: 24-120
Pittsburgh: 15-47
Minnesota: 25-117
Baltimore: 22-86
New England: 26-111
Chicago: 14-165
Cleveland: 38-139

2002
Miami: 18-75
New England: 26-111
Seattle: 23-136
Indy: 18-88
NY: 24-103
Arizona: 24-228

Seems like he's done ok.

[SmootSmack]

Nice job Matty! The facts don't lie.

It's cliche but it's true-it all starts in the trenches. Doesn't matter if it's been Riggins, Bryant, Griffin, Riggs, Byner, Washington. Or Theismann, Schroeder, Rypien Williams.

It's all about the offensive line. That's what won us 3 Super Bowls under Gibbs. It was the offensive line that opened up massive lanes for Timmy Smith. It was the offensive line that allowed diminutive Jamie Morris set the record for most carries in a single game (45) without getting killed

Yeah Alex Gibbs was a great offensive line coach for Portis, but Buges ain't no slouch

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by smootsmack

Yeah Alex Gibbs was a great offensive line coach for Portis, but Buges ain't no slouch

Yeah, and unlike ALEX Gibbs, Buges doesn't rely on dirty blocking techniques, just solid football knowledge.

[la73hof]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

True this isn't the AFC West, so let's look at some games outside of the AFC West to see how Portis has done. These are all of the games outside of the West that he has started in his career.


2003
Cincinnati: 24-120
Pittsburgh: 15-47
Minnesota: 25-117
Baltimore: 22-86
New England: 26-111
Chicago: 14-165
Cleveland: 38-139

2002
Miami: 18-75
New England: 26-111
Seattle: 23-136
Indy: 18-88
NY: 24-103
Arizona: 24-228

Seems like he's done ok.

2002

Team G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TDs FDs 20+
Pittsburgh 16 359 22.4 1375 3.8 85.9 16 77 8
Tennessee 16 372 23.2 1424 3.8 89.0 7 75 12
Oakland 16 384 24.0 1453 3.8 90.8 14 96 6
Denver 16 379 23.7 1489 3.9 93.1 21 100 8
Miami 16 407 25.4 1554 3.8 97.1 9 86 7
Tampa Bay 16 410 25.6 1554 3.8 97.1 8 79 4
San Francisco 16 394 24.6 1652 4.2 103.2 14 96 13
Carolina 16 448 28.0 1653 3.7 103.3 12 95 7
Philadelphia 16 390 24.4 1660 4.3 103.8 5 83 8
Minnesota 16 394 24.6 1666 4.2 104.1 15 83 14
San Diego 16 410 25.6 1739 4.2 108.7 15 91 6
Washington 16 435 27.2 1754 4.0 109.6 14 96 11
Baltimore 16 471 29.4 1762 3.7 110.1 17 95 12
St. Louis 16 445 27.8 1816 4.1 113.5 15 105 9
Dallas 16 481 30.1 1818 3.8 113.6 10 90 9
New York (N) 16 407 25.4 1830 4.5 114.4 12 87 15
Detroit 16 495 30.9 1967 4.0 122.9 19 111 12
New York (A) 16 427 26.7 1973 4.6 123.3 17 116 11
New Orleans 16 439 27.4 1991 4.5 124.4 18 108 16
Indianapolis 16 459 28.7 1992 4.3 124.5 16 114 4
Green Bay 16 413 25.8 1998 4.8 124.9 14 122 10
Cincinnati 16 498 31.1 2003 4.0 125.2 16 104 12
Atlanta 16 441 27.6 2047 4.6 127.9 12 97 17
Kansas City 16 431 26.9 2067 4.8 129.2 19 120 13
Jacksonville 16 487 30.4 2071 4.3 129.4 14 112 7
Chicago 16 504 31.5 2076 4.1 129.8 13 110 9
Cleveland 16 483 30.2 2079 4.3 129.9 12 107 17
Houston 16 509 31.8 2089 4.1 130.6 14 116 14
Buffalo 16 473 29.6 2122 4.5 132.6 20 107 16
Arizona 16 490 30.6 2146 4.4 134.1 17 117 11
New England 16 467 29.2 2198 4.7 137.4 17 129 15
Seattle 16 500 31.2 2441 4.9 152.6 18 140 19

The run defenses of his 3 best performances of the 6 you mention:

Arizona was 30th
NE was 31st
Seattle was dead last

Just more confirmation

Again, Portis IS TALENTED and will be a good back..the Denver scheme certainly helped BUT He's seen his share of creampuffs

[Big C]

im pretty sure that most people, who werent biased against the redskins would take portis springs and brunell...portis is an MVP candidate, who of the others is?

[illdefined]

Jackson did look good out there, reminded me of a Ricky Williams type who can put his shoulder down, i'm gonna be watching him.

Gibbs wins with what he has, but also has a knack for knowing exactly what he needs. as unpopular as it was to get Brunell, who would have thought we really did need such a veteran QB to run this offense?

Gibbs wanted offensive versatility and NFL experience. he wanted Portis.

[That Guy]

Now, I understand Bailey would have gotten Portis money and them some, but what would you rather have --Bailey/Jackson/Collins or Portis/Springs/Brunnel?

i really rather have portis/springs/brunell... jackson is an unknown, and plugging him into one of the most important positions in a team that wants to win right away is well... not the best idea in the world.

and while you aren't so hot on ramsey, wait until clubs start game planning specifically against henson and the dallas offense and see how well he does then... pre-season games are really pretty meaningless.

[Big C]

that looks like total yards per game, thats different man, ur changing it up. last one tennessee was first...

[SUNRA]

Ramsey doesn't remind me of any of the Q.B's that have emerged to play first string. Chad Hutchingson and Tom Brady definitely learned a great deal on the sidelines watching Testeverde and Bledsoe. The difference hear is unfortunately Ramsey inherited a team with an unstable coaching staff which expected him to run it out of the stable and we witnessed a massacre on a QB. Ramsey has the talent, but will he humble himself to learn from a real coach and an experienced QB directly or indirectly? That's the point he's at right now. If he takes over in the latter part of the season it will be disasterous because the competition get better.

[Big C]

kerry collins is a very good QB, much better than testes.