WP: Redskins Targeting London Fletcher, Nate Clements

[MTK]

3 picks for the 6th overall??

LOL good luck with that one.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

3 picks for the 6th overall??

LOL good luck with that one.

you definately can get a late 1st and 2nd. you could work in another pick, like 5th through 7th.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

you definately can get a late 1st and 2nd. you could work in another pick, like 5th through 7th.

Seriously. I think everyone of us would be happy to get a 1,2,4 or 1,2,5 but your idea is way too simplistic and short-sided. SOMEONE HAS TO OFEER US those picks. I hear it all the time around here that we should do this or that when in reality this or that is not easy to do. Or even remotely likely. You have to ask yourself. What are the chances we can make a trade to get those picks? Let's be generous and say 50%. So based on your idea we eschew finding a suitable solution at MLB in free agency and go heading into draft season with more holes than picks and the 50% likely to happen hope that we can swing a deal to get more picks we can use to fill all of those holes. Nevermind that at that point in time the market could be totally dead for trades, or that our obvious holes give leverage to other teams to offer us less, or that even in a perfect world you'd then be relying on a rookie to run the defense. No forget all that and let's take a monumental risk on maybe being able to trade the 6th for 3 decent picks that can fill our holes. I am looking at what the best option is and the best option is to fill a hole when you can fill it. If you can get a guy at a reasonable price to fill a hole then you do it unless you think he can't do the job. The only reason anyone is giving to not get Fletcher is his age and that alone is not a good reason.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Seriously. I think everyone of us would be happy to get a 1,2,4 or 1,2,5 but your idea is way too simplistic and short-sided. SOMEONE HAS TO OFEER US those picks. I hear it all the time around here that we should do this or that when in reality this or that is not easy to do. Or even remotely likely. You have to ask yourself. What are the chances we can make a trade to get those picks? Let's be generous and say 50%. So based on your idea we eschew finidng a suitable solution at MLB in free agency and go heading into draft season with more holes than picks and the 50% likely hope that we can swing a deal to get another pick we can use to fill all of those holes. Nevermind that at that point in time the market could be totally dead for trades, or that our obvious holes give leverage to other teams to offer us less, or that even in a perfect world you'd then be relying on a rookie to run the defense. No forget all that and let's take a chance on maybe being able to trade the 6th for 3 decent picks that can fill our holes. I am looking at what the best option is and the best option is to fill a hole when you can fill it. If you can get a guy at a reasonable price to fill a hole then you do it unless you think he can't do the job. The only reason anyone is giving to not get Fletcher is his age and that alone is not a good reason.

I don't think it's that hard. You find a team that's interested then they have charts they use that translate the relative value of a pick as it relates to other picks and they negotiate from there. A 6th overall might be worth the other team's lower 1st round pick and a 3rd and a 5th (as an example). Then the haggling starts. In that situation the pressure is on the team that wants to move up, IMO.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I don't think it's that hard. You find a team that's interested then they have charts they use that translate the relative value of a pick as it relates to other picks and they negotiate from there. A 6th overall might be worth the other team's lower 1st round pick and a 3rd and a 5th (as an example). Then the haggling starts. In that situation the pressure is on the team that wants to move up, IMO.

Oh so you just take out like a personal ad in the NFL weekly and wait for all the offers to come in huh? I am sure it is that simple.

Ever noticed how move up trades only happen on the day of the draft? That's because no one trades their picks until they have already gone through free agency since free agency changes the entire landscape including what holes you have and what holes other teams have thereby determining what chance you will have to fill your holes in the draft. Again it is way too simplistic and in this case naive to think we can just make a trade like it is no big deal.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Oh so you just take out like a personal ad in the NFL weekly and wait for all the offers to come in huh? I am sure it is that simple.

Ever noticed how move up trades only happen on the day of the draft? That's because no one trades their picks until they have already gone through free agency since free agency changes the entire landscape including what holes you have and what holes other teams have thereby determining what chance you will have to fill your holes in the draft. Again it is way too simplistic and in this case naive to think we can just make a trade like it is no big deal.

I didn't say it was no big deal and I surely didn't suggest taking out any ads. Yes FA comes first. And yes these deals happen very late but they are not that uncommon. Remember when we fleeced Mike Ditka for his whole draft and we still got Champ? Also, I don't ever remeber a draft where Beathard didn't make some trade. Those deals were essential to his approach.

I think it is far more naive, based on this team's recent history to think that we will fill holes through FA or that our scout's are not perfectly capable of drafting a bust with the 6th overall. At least with more picks, their chances of (accidentally and in spite of themselves) choosing a decent player improve somewhat.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I don't think it's that hard. You find a team that's interested then they have charts they use that translate the relative value of a pick as it relates to other picks and they negotiate from there. A 6th overall might be worth the other team's lower 1st round pick and a 3rd and a 5th (as an example). Then the haggling starts. In that situation the pressure is on the team that wants to move up, IMO.

Agreed. Sure you don't show everyone your hand. There will be a major impact player available at #6. Think of it this way, there will be a #1 at most positions on the field available. Maybe MLB, Safety, Dline, etc. Some teams fall in love w/ certain players and think this player will put them over the hump. So we most likely can get good value for the 6th, but if not...

No biggie- we've got a great pick. It just all depends on the FA's, how much cap room we have & how much we rate the players coming out. Do we have enough cap room to sign the 6th pick, a starting mlb (fletcher) and (clements)? W/out looking i would think it might be difficult w/ out some serious restructuring - cuts. Point is we do have some major holes to fill and the FO has to be smart about this.