Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If this is true (and that's a big if) then it could basically come down to Vilma vs. Branch. So you would rather have Vilma over someone who could possible make the LB's better? Make their job easier by hopefully trying up blockers? Is there anyone at the end of the 1st round that is better than Branch?

I think if it came down to it, I'd lean toward Vilma. While Branch could be good, even great, Vilma is a known commodity and he's still young as has been stated.

If Griff, whom I thought had an off year, can return to form and Golston get's more comfortable with the scheme, conditioning and so forth, that could give us some punch up front. So in my mind Vilma then becomes an intersting piece to the puzzle. He also seems to be a leader on the field.

He seems to be very vocal toward other teammates, which we need.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

not the glue more like the container the glue is in lol why get rid of him?

when he and portis are healthy they could combine for record numbers
why does everyone want to get rid of him there is a reason we drafted him in the 2nd round

he is a great back up and a good running back look at chester taylor of the vikings i know the ravens wished that they had him back

[TMahoney]

Hey Redskins fans.

I'm a New York Jets fans if you can't tell by the avatar.

Someone brought this trade rumor to our forum and I wanted to comment on it over here.

You guys would be lucky to get Vilma. Great player, great leader and class act.

Its really difficult seeing a player that good struggle in our system. We know he's not made for the 3-4, but we're committed to the 3-4 and if he doesn't fit, he doesn't fit.

Don't be fooled by last year. Vilma on your team would be a pro-bowler for years to come.

The problem with this trade is, both of our teams have the same needs: defensive line.

I doubt this gets done because of that. Your team shouldn't pass up the chance to draft Branch or Anderson and the only way we'd trade Vilma is if we were sure to get a great player (potentially, after all this is the draft) at a position of need in return.

But just in case this does happen, I wanted to let you know how great it is to have a player like Jon Vilma leading your defense. You won't be disappointed.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by TMahoney

Hey Redskins fans.

I'm a New York Jets fans if you can't tell by the avatar.

Someone brought this trade rumor to our forum and I wanted to comment on it over here.

You guys would be lucky to get Vilma. Great player, great leader and class act.

Its really difficult seeing a player that good struggle in our system. We know he's not made for the 3-4, but we're committed to the 3-4 and if he doesn't fit, he doesn't fit.

Don't be fooled by last year. Vilma on your team would be a pro-bowler for years to come.

The problem with this trade is, both of our teams have the same needs: defensive line.

I doubt this gets done because of that. Your team shouldn't pass up the chance to draft Branch or Anderson and the only way we'd trade Vilma is if we were sure to get a great player (potentially, after all this is the draft) at a position of need in return.

But just in case this does happen, I wanted to let you know how great it is to have a player like Jon Vilma leading your defense. You won't be disappointed.

Welcome!

Good points. I have a friend who is a Jets fan, and he is nuts over Vilma. I had the feeling that many Jets fans felt the same way.

You should stick around, there is a lot of good discussion here, and it is so cool to have fans from other teams to offer different viewpoints.

Good luck to you next year!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by TMahoney

Hey Redskins fans.

I'm a New York Jets fans if you can't tell by the avatar.

Someone brought this trade rumor to our forum and I wanted to comment on it over here.

You guys would be lucky to get Vilma. Great player, great leader and class act.

Its really difficult seeing a player that good struggle in our system. We know he's not made for the 3-4, but we're committed to the 3-4 and if he doesn't fit, he doesn't fit.

Don't be fooled by last year. Vilma on your team would be a pro-bowler for years to come.

The problem with this trade is, both of our teams have the same needs: defensive line.

I doubt this gets done because of that. Your team shouldn't pass up the chance to draft Branch or Anderson and the only way we'd trade Vilma is if we were sure to get a great player (potentially, after all this is the draft) at a position of need in return.

But just in case this does happen, I wanted to let you know how great it is to have a player like Jon Vilma leading your defense. You won't be disappointed.

J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!!!!!

Why doesn't Mangini try Vilma on the outside, instead of getting him all beat up playing inside on a 3-4?

I don't think you guys need Betts. Leon Washington is the real deal and he could carry the load all by himself. Should have been a 1st round draft pick. I like Houston too. Real nice 1-2 punch.

[724Skinsfan]

Hmm, just thought about the Kris Jenkins rumor. If we are pursuing him, then our need to draft at #6 becomes less important. Trading Vilma for Betts and comparable draft compensation may then be a decent idea. I guess you could substitue any DT that can be traded or has been released instead of Jenkins.

Just a thought that is not entirely endorsed by me.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

when did this kris jenkins rumor start up cause if we get him then we could consider trading down and nabbing gaines adams while getting an extra pick or two some where

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

when did this kris jenkins rumor start up cause if we get him then we could consider trading down and nabbing gaines adams while getting an extra pick or two some where

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ins-rumor.html

Remember, just a rumor!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think if it came down to it, I'd lean toward Vilma. While Branch could be good, even great, Vilma is a known commodity and he's still young as has been stated.

If Griff, whom I thought had an off year, can return to form and Golston get's more comfortable with the scheme, conditioning and so forth, that could give us some punch up front. So in my mind Vilma then becomes an intersting piece to the puzzle. He also seems to be a leader on the field.

He seems to be very vocal toward other teammates, which we need.

Griff's play has slipped since 04. In 04 he was really really good. Hopefully he can get back to that level in 07. I'm not so sure about Goldston. We had better get some depth at that position. Since we like FA's so much I'd sign a fat ass like Keith Traylor or Ted Washington. Not sure about their status. Let him play run downs. We gotta do something about the line. That's the heart of your defense.

[SkinsFanSince91]

This is all I am saying...

1) Trade Betts while his value is high. We need to shop him now while his value is still high, and before everyone else finds out that he has a pnechant for fumbling. We could Easily get a 3nd rounder, and, if the climate is right around draft time, we could potentially work out a deal for a 2nd rounder.

2) Get a corner/fs somewhere in the draft. We tanked on getting a corner last year when we passed on Jimmy Williams to get Rocky McIntosh. So we desperately need to address that position via the draft, and NOT free agency. We keep signing these guys who seem to lose the will to work after they sign the big contracts.

3) The story is 100% non-fabricated. I was there, and so was George Michael. I could have used a host of scenarios to make the story sound sweeter, but I told it as it was. Truthful. And don't ever question the man who runs the Sports Machine and Redskins Report! He is the De Facto sports information icon of anything Burgundy and Gold since 1984.

4) I don't think that we should take the Jets deal at all. The story was merely a way to show the potential value of LBetts as trade material in the "real world" of NFL GM cirlces. This is only ONE example of many RB hungry teams that could be salivating at a RB that has been a backup to start for them. Who knows his value may go up around draft time. But, we need to use that 6th pick on the best DE available, or trade down to acquire more picks. Which bring me to my 5th point...

5) We need more picks and bad! I dont think anyone realzies that we have 1 pick in the entire first day of the draft. So, if we dont get anymore picks, then we will have to go home or turn on the ps3 after the sixth pick in the first day. If not, you will be forced to watch and think about how a "Jonnie Doe" would have done for us in the rounds 2-4, where we gave up draft picks for players.

6) We need to abandon this philosophy of trading draft picks for players! Its the reason we didnt have a first and 3rd last year, and its the reason why we dont have a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th this year. It never works, either way we have a high cap hit and a player who never really lives up to expectation. The inverse is needed to stop the bleeding. So trade players for draft picks. Its so crazy it just might work.

7) Stay with the system. Every year teams like the Patriots, Ravens, and Chargers get better and deeper as a team thru the draft. We don't grow simply, because we don't draft.

8) Cut Brunell, Wynn, restructure Archuleta's contract(or restructure and trade him to Chicago to reunite with Lovie SMith), keep Shawn Springs, and maybe get a corner after the draft when teams release players to sign draft picks. Im not sold on clements or any other free agent CB.


9) Lastly, we need to go with the best end in the 1st round. I would say take a corner here, but none are worthy of being taken this high in this draft class. Trade for a 2nd or 3rd rounder to get the best CB/FS available. A plus would be to get someone who could play both (like Jimmy Williams...no, I wont stop bringing it up). In the 5th, 6th, and 7th go after DT, LB, RB(if we trade BEtts), DE(pass rush specialist-a la Mark Anderson of the Bears if we don't trade betts), and WR(if we could find a Marques Colston, Donald Driver, or Mike Furrey steal in the late round could help make WR more competitive behind Moss). Plus we need a receiver over 6' tall!!

Im 6'2", do u think I can get a try out? lol

Seriously, if we dont make moves we will have essentially the same team depth wise as last year. I dont want to have one draft pick for the first day, so make moves and build the team for the real test - who will run things when Gibbs is gone? Its 2 years away, we need to look forward to building an inexpensive, productive, proactive base of talent for when he is gone. So that we dont end up at square one again.

[SkinEmAll]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

This is all I am saying...

1) Trade Betts while his value is high. We need to shop him now while his value is still high, and before everyone else finds out that he has a pnechant for fumbling. We could Easily get a 3nd rounder, and, if the climate is right around draft time, we could potentially work out a deal for a 2nd rounder.

*yeah your right, no other gm's or head coaches would do a little research or film review before making an offer on a player.

2) Get a corner/fs somewhere in the draft. We tanked on getting a corner last year when we passed on Jimmy Williams to get Rocky McIntosh. So we desperately need to address that position via the draft, and NOT free agency. We keep signing these guys who seem to lose the will to work after they sign the big contracts.

3) The story is 100% non-fabricated. I was there, and so was George Michael. I could have used a host of scenarios to make the story sound sweeter, but I told it as it was. Truthful. And don't ever question the man who runs the Sports Machine and Redskins Report! He is the De Facto sports information icon of anything Burgundy and Gold since 1984.

* huh?

4) I don't think that we should take the Jets deal at all. The story was merely a way to show the potential value of LBetts as trade material in the "real world" of NFL GM cirlces. This is only ONE example of many RB hungry teams that could be salivating at a RB that has been a backup to start for them. Who knows his value may go up around draft time. But, we need to use that 6th pick on the best DE available, or trade down to acquire more picks. Which bring me to my 5th point...

5) We need more picks and bad! I dont think anyone realzies that we have 1 pick in the entire first day of the draft. So, if we dont get anymore picks, then we will have to go home or turn on the ps3 after the sixth pick in the first day. If not, you will be forced to watch and think about how a "Jonnie Doe" would have done for us in the rounds 2-4, where we gave up draft picks for players.

*This is The Warpath, Redskins discussion for the Knowledgeable Fan.

6) We need to abandon this philosophy of trading draft picks for players! Its the reason we didnt have a first and 3rd last year, and its the reason why we dont have a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th this year. It never works, either way we have a high cap hit and a player who never really lives up to expectation. The inverse is needed to stop the bleeding. So trade players for draft picks. Its so crazy it just might work.

* we have a few who have.

7) Stay with the system. Every year teams like the Patriots, Ravens, and Chargers get better and deeper as a team thru the draft. We don't grow simply, because we don't draft.

8) Cut Brunell, Wynn, restructure Archuleta's contract(or restructure and trade him to Chicago to reunite with Lovie SMith), keep Shawn Springs, and maybe get a corner after the draft when teams release players to sign draft picks. Im not sold on clements or any other free agent CB.


9) Lastly, we need to go with the best end in the 1st round. I would say take a corner here, but none are worthy of being taken this high in this draft class. Trade for a 2nd or 3rd rounder to get the best CB/FS available. A plus would be to get someone who could play both (like Jimmy Williams...no, I wont stop bringing it up). In the 5th, 6th, and 7th go after DT, LB, RB(if we trade BEtts), DE(pass rush specialist-a la Mark Anderson of the Bears if we don't trade betts), and WR(if we could find a Marques Colston, Donald Driver, or Mike Furrey steal in the late round could help make WR more competitive behind Moss). Plus we need a receiver over 6' tall!!

Im 6'2", do u think I can get a try out? lol

Seriously, if we dont make moves we will have essentially the same team depth wise as last year. I dont want to have one draft pick for the first day, so make moves and build the team for the real test - who will run things when Gibbs is gone? Its 2 years away, we need to look forward to building an inexpensive, productive, proactive base of talent for when he is gone. So that we dont end up at square one again.

Any trade involving Betts will never happen. Maybe Georgey boy had just finished his first bottle of scotch and was just yanking your chain.

[djnemo65]

This team really is run like a Madden franchise. I don't oppose trading Betts in priniciple, but moving from 6 to 25 is too significant a drop, even for a player of Vilma's caliber.

[dmek25]

anyone know how old vilma is?

[SkinsFanSince91]

Originally Posted by dmek25

anyone know how old vilma is?

He will be 25 on the 16th of April. Still young

[Beemnseven]

After reading the rest of the posts, I'm genuinely surprised at the number of people who would accept this deal.

Betts for a 2nd or a 3rd is fine. Betts straight up for Vilma is fine.

But losing the #6 pick? NO WAY. That pick is gold.