Brunell and Redskins Reportedly Close to Restructured Deal

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by irish

I think every team says if our starter stays healthy and performs we should be fine. Unfortunately QBs dont stay healthey and the Eagles showed how a quality backup can really make a difference.

IMO, if JC does not stay healthy or does not perform, and Gibbs has to put MB in as the starter this team is in big trouble. I was hoping the skins would sign a quality backup, not an old geezer thats out of gas.

One year ago, if you had Brunell and Garcia to choose from to start which one would you pick? Also, can you supply a Top 3 Quality Backup QB list that you know for certain will perform the exact same or better than Brunell?

[irish]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

One year ago, if you had Brunell and Garcia to choose from to start which one would you pick? Also, can you supply a Top 3 Quality Backup QB list that you know for certain will perform the exact same or better than Brunell?

I would have picked Garcia simply because he was younger.

I saw MB play last year (as I'm sure you did) and he looked terrible & out of gas. He's now another year older so I doubt things have improved. Nothing is certain in sports but I think almost any available QB would play better than MB.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by irish

I would have picked Garcia simply because he was younger.

I saw MB play last year (as I'm sure you did) and he looked terrible & out of gas. He's now another year older so I doubt things have improved. Nothing is certain in sports but I think almost any available QB would play better than MB.

I also think he looked pretty bad last year but I also thought Garcia (who actually is 7 months older, by the way) was terrible with both Cleveland and Detroit.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

I would have picked Garcia simply because he was younger.

I saw MB play last year (as I'm sure you did) and he looked terrible & out of gas. He's now another year older so I doubt things have improved. Nothing is certain in sports but I think almost any available QB would play better than MB.

Except he's not younger

[skinsfan69]

In fairness to the team, and the offense, I hope Gibbs let's Collins compete for the #2. Brunell should not have the back-up job handed to him just becase he has game experience.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

In fairness to the team, and the offense, I hope Gibbs let's Collins compete for the #2. Brunell should not have the back-up job handed to him just becase he has game experience.

collins is probably going to opt out of his deal and leave.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by That Guy

collins is probably going to opt out of his deal and leave.

Why? Where in the hell is he going to go? His only option would probably be back to KC.

[70Chip]

The idea of bringing Smoot back has me genuinely excited. He is far from perfect but his big-mouth persona is much needed on that defense. Rogers and Wright play scared. Smoot doesn't know from scared. I think he would actually be a good influence.

[MTK]

What quality backups are out there?

Forget about Garcia. He wants to start.

[Schneed10]

Let's shed a little salary cap light on the subject. Cutting Brunell would save the team $2.1 million in 2007.

But if he drops his base salary down from $5 million to the vet minimum, he saves us $4 million. Then of course you have to add in any incremental signing bonus he's getting as part of this restructure. If it's a $2 million bonus, then we can spread that over the 4 years he's still with us, adding $500 K to his cap figure. All in all, this method would create $3.5 million in cap space, that's quite a bit more than the $2.1 we'd get from axing him.

Doesn't make sense to cut the guy. Not when he's still more than capable of playing a backup role very well. All you can ask of a backup QB is to come in when you need him and not lose games. You can have a McNabb and Garcia situation for half a year, but if your backup is that good, you either can't afford him or he finds a starting job. Brunell is a solid backup, and this has all the makings of the smartest move possible given the circumstances.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Let's shed a little salary cap light on the subject. Cutting Brunell would save the team $2.1 million in 2007.

But if he drops his base salary down from $5 million to the vet minimum, he saves us $4 million. Then of course you have to add in any incremental signing bonus he's getting as part of this restructure. If it's a $2 million bonus, then we can spread that over the 4 years he's still with us, adding $500 K to his cap figure. All in all, this method would create $3.5 million in cap space, that's quite a bit more than the $2.1 we'd get from axing him.

Doesn't make sense to cut the guy. Not when he's still more than capable of playing a backup role very well. All you can ask of a backup QB is to come in when you need him and not lose games. You can have a McNabb and Garcia situation for half a year, but if your backup is that good, you either can't afford him or he finds a starting job. Brunell is a solid backup, and this has all the makings of the smartest move possible given the circumstances.

Good analysis & great point. I hadn't figured in the cost of cutting him.
I think you have to add his shoulder surgery to the equation though. Gibbs must believe that he'll recover fully or near it. My concern w/keeping a roster space for him is that he realistically may be only a 3rd string qb when the season starts due to his recovery.
I know the team knows better than us, but it also seems that they've let him play through some pain when it may have been to the detriment of the team.
Just hope JC doesn't get hurt!

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Good analysis & great point. I hadn't figured in the cost of cutting him.
I think you have to add his shoulder surgery to the equation though. Gibbs must believe that he'll recover fully or near it. My concern w/keeping a roster space for him is that he realistically may be only a 3rd string qb when the season starts due to his recovery.
I know the team knows better than us, but it also seems that they've let him play through some pain when it may have been to the detriment of the team.
Just hope JC doesn't get hurt!

I didn't get the sense that the injury was so major that he would have any problem coming back.

Carson Palmer came back from a destroyed knee in 8 months. Now Brunell's no spring chicken like Palmer, but arthroscopic shoulder surgery? This isn't a major deal. I think he'll be OK.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I didn't get the sense that the injury was so major that he would have any problem coming back.

Carson Palmer came back from a destroyed knee in 8 months. Now Brunell's no spring chicken like Palmer, but arthroscopic shoulder surgery? This isn't a major deal. I think he'll be OK.

He'll probably be limited in camps but as the starter JC would get the majority of the reps anyway. Besides, rest is probably the best thing for him.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I didn't get the sense that the injury was so major that he would have any problem coming back.

Carson Palmer came back from a destroyed knee in 8 months. Now Brunell's no spring chicken like Palmer, but arthroscopic shoulder surgery? This isn't a major deal. I think he'll be OK.

You may want to talk to somebody that has had arthroscopic shoulder surgery about it not being a big deal. I know 2 guys in their 30s that have had it and said it is the most painful thing they have ever experienced. In fact one of the guys said if he had to have it again he'd just tell the Dr to chop his arm off (LOL) because the apain was unbelievable. No matter how you sit stand or lay it hurts.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

You may want to talk to somebody that has had arthroscopic shoulder surgery about it not being a big deal. I know 2 guys in their 30s that have had it and said it is the most painful thing they have ever experienced. In fact one of the guys said if he had to have it again he'd just tell the Dr to chop his arm off (LOL) because the apain was unbelievable. No matter how you sit stand or lay it hurts.

Of course there's pain associated with any type of surgery, but arthroscopic surgery is pretty tame compared to a major reconstruction.