Yet Another #$(&^ing Ramsey Thread...Gotta Keep Up With the #$(&^#ing Brunell Threads

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

But I dont recall Marino, Bledsoe, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Unitas, Stallback...on and on being great athletes. They could throw the ball. which Ramsey can surely do.

Each one had more athletic ability. Each, as I remember, was able to move around the pocket and make time. Ramsey was a sitting target. Not once do I remember him sliding in the pocket or stepping up out of a collapsing pocket to create more time to make a play. In fact I distinctly remember watching Ramsey get sacked over and over again and not doing anything to avoid it. How many times did he drop back and just basically fall down as the guy got to him? Sometimes it even looked like a designed play...drop and fall down. Successful QBs do their fair share of sack avoidance and they use their atheltic abilities to do so. Peyton isn't any faster than Ramsey but he has good quick footwork and decent enough agility to use it to avoid maybe 10-15 sacks a year. Ramsey didn't ever show the agility to do it.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Each one had more athletic ability. Each, as I remember, was able to move around the pocket and make time. Ramsey was a sitting target. Not once do I remember him sliding in the pocket or stepping up out of a collapsing pocket to create more time to make a play. In fact I distinctly remember watching Ramsey get sacked over and over again and not doing anything to avoid it. How many times did he drop back and just basically fall down as the guy got to him? Sometimes it even looked like a designed play...drop and fall down. Successful QBs do their fair share of sack avoidance and they use their atheltic abilities to do so. Peyton isn't any faster than Ramsey but he has good quick footwork and decent enough agility to use it to avoid maybe 10-15 sacks a year. Ramsey didn't ever show the agility to do it.

are you serious. who out here thinks Marino was more than a statue in the pocket. Williams, Rypien, Unitas, they couldn't move out of there own way. I am sorry, but I dont recall these guys being very "mobile" Ramsey, I agree was very challenged in the mobility department, plus he heald on to the ball WAY TOO long, which accounts for a lot of those sacks. Dude, seriously..Marino avoided a great number of his sacks because he had the ability to get the ball out faster than anyone has ever seen. Rypien, Williams had basically steel walls in front of them. If you recall, the redskins O-Line gave up what 9 sacks that whole year Rypien let us to the bowl, same for Dougy while he was playing. Lets not say they were mobile, I think all of us know they lacked that.

Bledsoe? how many times did he get sacked in his career? All most as much as anyone in history, why? because he doesn't move and holds on to the ball way too long. Unitas, are you kidding? he never moved. You make it sound like we need vick (OVERRATED) or freakin fran tarkenten or something.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Each one had more athletic ability. Each, as I remember, was able to move around the pocket and make time. Ramsey was a sitting target. Not once do I remember him sliding in the pocket or stepping up out of a collapsing pocket to create more time to make a play. In fact I distinctly remember watching Ramsey get sacked over and over again and not doing anything to avoid it. How many times did he drop back and just basically fall down as the guy got to him? Sometimes it even looked like a designed play...drop and fall down. Successful QBs do their fair share of sack avoidance and they use their atheltic abilities to do so. Peyton isn't any faster than Ramsey but he has good quick footwork and decent enough agility to use it to avoid maybe 10-15 sacks a year. Ramsey didn't ever show the agility to do it.

Well let me refresh your memory, monday night against the jets under SS one of the jets came on the blitz he ducked under him the player just missed taking his head off and then yanking him down from behind he then threw and completed a strike 40 yards downfield, there you go.

You can say he held the ball to long but he never had any time to hold it, no different than Brunell, only Brunell would throw the ball away the instant it was hiked, Ramsey had the guts to try and hang in the pocket and make a play with absolutly no protection, thats on the coaches. Of coarse all anyone would say about Brunell since he's been here is that he's afraid to hang in the pocket and make a play. Guys around here make it sound as if Ramsey had all day to throw, let alone just adequet protection, THAT WAS NEVER THE CASE!

As for arm strength, Campbell has no where's near the arm that Ramsey has, Cambpell despite what some may think does not possess a big arm he has maybe slightly above average arm strength.

I am curious, who on our roster was going to play ahead of Pennington? The fact is no one on our roster could make the Jets team [other than Campbell], they don't waste thier time with has beens and never been's, it's nice to see a team doing what they are supposed to be doing grooming a young guy for the backup position and as a future starter, who also could bring back a lot of value in a trade once he developes, lucky us we have no one who can step in and lead this team if Campbell goes down, and we really don't know if Campbell can lead?

I think it's an absolute joke that Brunell is being considered for the primary backup, A JOKE! Of coarse why stop now it was the biggest joke around the league when we traded for him.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by offiss

Well let me refresh your memory, monday night against the jets under SS one of the jets came on the blitz he ducked under him the player just missed taking his head off and then yanking him down from behind he then threw and completed a strike 40 yards downfield, there you go.

To nitpick, I think he dodged LB Sam Cowart.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by offiss

As for arm strength, Campbell has no where's near the arm that Ramsey has, Cambpell despite what some may think does not possess a big arm he has maybe slightly above average arm strength.

... The fact is no one on our roster could make the Jets team [other than Campbell], they don't waste thier time with has beens and never been's[.]

All I know is that Portis said that with Campbell's arm strength they should be having someone running the deep post every play. Sounds like he's got more than enough arm for the job. Plus, I saw more than a little sizzle on several throws. Strong as Ramsey's? Maybe, Maybe not. If you've got something definitive, I'll be glad to look at it.

As for the Jets not wasting their time on "never been's", they did, in fact, trade a sixth round choice to us for a "never been".

As for "better than Pennington" - TAKE THE DAMN JOB! THAT'S WHAT PENNINGTON DID! Right out of Ramsey's great arm and tough as nails attitude.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

All I know is that Portis said that with Campbell's arm strength they should be having someone running the deep post every play. Sounds like he's got more than enough arm for the job. Plus, I saw more than a little sizzle on several throws. Strong as Ramsey's? Maybe, Maybe not. If you've got something definitive, I'll be glad to look at it.

As for the Jets not wasting their time on "never been's", they did, in fact, trade a sixth round choice to us for a "never been".

As for "better than Pennington" - TAKE THE DAMN JOB! THAT'S WHAT PENNINGTON DID! Right out of Ramsey's great arm and tough as nails attitude.

I do believe he has plenty of arm to make all the throws, at least I hope he does, but Ramsey's arm strength is exceptional I just pointed that out thats all.

Most young QB's are never been's, the Jets maybe high on this kid casey but I saw him in pre-season and I didn't see anything that made me think this kid is much of a QB, perhaps he developes? But I was unimpressed when I saw him play late in the pre-season, but that's thier problem, funny the Jets did give Ramsey a contract extension last year didn't they?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by offiss

As for arm strength, Campbell has no where's near the arm that Ramsey has, Cambpell despite what some may think does not possess a big arm he has maybe slightly above average arm strength.

This statement here, in a microcosm, shows why it is dumb to even discuss this stuff with you. You don't know what you are talking about. To say "no where's near" is a gross overstatement and to say "slightly" is to show how misguided you are. I'm done.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by offiss

Well let me refresh your memory, monday night against the jets under SS one of the jets came on the blitz he ducked under him the player just missed taking his head off and then yanking him down from behind he then threw and completed a strike 40 yards downfield, there you go.

You can say he held the ball to long but he never had any time to hold it, no different than Brunell, only Brunell would throw the ball away the instant it was hiked, Ramsey had the guts to try and hang in the pocket and make a play with absolutly no protection, thats on the coaches. Of coarse all anyone would say about Brunell since he's been here is that he's afraid to hang in the pocket and make a play. Guys around here make it sound as if Ramsey had all day to throw, let alone just adequet protection, THAT WAS NEVER THE CASE!

As for arm strength, Campbell has no where's near the arm that Ramsey has, Cambpell despite what some may think does not possess a big arm he has maybe slightly above average arm strength.

I am curious, who on our roster was going to play ahead of Pennington? The fact is no one on our roster could make the Jets team [other than Campbell], they don't waste thier time with has beens and never been's, it's nice to see a team doing what they are supposed to be doing grooming a young guy for the backup position and as a future starter, who also could bring back a lot of value in a trade once he developes, lucky us we have no one who can step in and lead this team if Campbell goes down, and we really don't know if Campbell can lead?

I think it's an absolute joke that Brunell is being considered for the primary backup, A JOKE! Of coarse why stop now it was the biggest joke around the league when we traded for him.

Help me out O, what is it you.........like about the Skins? By appearances, the only player you have any regard for is gettin' his ass kicked off his second team.
Let's see, Coach sucks, players suck, etc sucks, except PR. Let's take the short list. What Do you LIKE about the Redskins?
Are you like the Anti-fan in disguise?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Help me out O, what is it you.........like about the Skins? By appearances, the only player you have any regard for is gettin' his ass kicked off his second team.
Let's see, Coach sucks, players suck, etc sucks, except PR. Let's take the short list. What Do you LIKE about the Redskins?
Are you like the Anti-fan in disguise?

Tell me what you actually like about this team?

I guess I should say everything is golden when we are supposed to be a SB contender and winde up 5-11, I guess everything is fine when with that record we find ourselves with 1 significant draft pick, maybe thats the problem with the Skins, they can't admit they don't know what they are doing, so they continue to screw up over and over. Right now we are a 5-11 team with 1 pick, we might as well give away our late round picks the way we evaluate talent.

Unfortuantly you don't pay attention, I always said Moss was a great trade from the day it happened, I have alway's said Betts is a big time back if he recieved an opportunity and in fairness could stay healthy. I love Taylor and still feel he can be an all time great, I loved the Cooley pick at the time it happened, but I hate the fact that we don't utilize the draft, I don't want other teams castoffs.

How would you feel if we had drafted Stephen Jackson instead of trading for Portis? Or we had all our picks this year, would you rather swing a deal for Calvin Johnson, or would you rather have Lloyd and El? we have passed up so much talent, and in some cases better talent for a lot less money and this trend doesn't seem to have an end. Thats what ticks me off.

I would rather be signing the praises of the Skins but I don't sugar coat problems because of personel bias!

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by offiss

Tell me what you actually like about this team?

I guess I should say everything is golden when we are supposed to be a SB contender and winde up 5-11, I guess everything is fine when with that record we find ourselves with 1 significant draft pick, maybe thats the problem with the Skins, they can't admit they don't know what they are doing, so they continue to screw up over and over. Right now we are a 5-11 team with 1 pick, we might as well give away our late round picks the way we evaluate talent.

Unfortuantly you don't pay attention, I always said Moss was a great trade from the day it happened, I have alway's said Betts is a big time back if he recieved an opportunity and in fairness could stay healthy. I love Taylor and still feel he can be an all time great, I loved the Cooley pick at the time it happened, but I hate the fact that we don't utilize the draft, I don't want other teams castoffs.

How would you feel if we had drafted Stephen Jackson instead of trading for Portis? Or we had all our picks this year, would you rather swing a deal for Calvin Johnson, or would you rather have Lloyd and El? we have passed up so much talent, and in some cases better talent for a lot less money and this trend doesn't seem to have an end. Thats what ticks me off.

I would rather be signing the praises of the Skins but I don't sugar coat problems because of personel bias!

To be accurate, you, totally let your personal bias cloud what success the team HAS had. While I, and I'm sure many of the fans on this site are not happy with many of the results the Skins have had and did not expect to be a 5-11 team last year.
To paint the picture completely negative as you routinely do is, and take particular joy at grinding your literary heal on most of the team suggests NOTHING but personal bias, not honest evaluative measure. You mentioned 4 players you actually liked. I guess that suggests you dislike/loath something like 95% of the players and staff? Hard to be a "fan" of................that

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Hog1

To be accurate, you, totally let your personal bias cloud what success the team HAS had. While I, and I'm sure many of the fans on this site are not happy with many of the results the Skins have had and did not expect to be a 5-11 team last year.
To paint the picture completely negative as you routinely do is, and take particular joy at grinding your literary heal on most of the team suggests NOTHING but personal bias, not honest evaluative measure. You mentioned 4 players you actually liked. I guess that suggests you dislike/loath something like 95% of the players and staff? Hard to be a "fan" of................that

Please by all means tell me about how great we are? To paint a picture routinely ugly is not dead on balls accurate? Are we not going backwards rather than forwards? Rest assured it's not personel bias, it's fact! 5-11 for a team that was supposed to be a SB contender, a team that spent major money and gave up most of our draft this year to reach the SB last season is bias not fact? A 5-11 team with 1 significant draft pick is on it's way to the promised land this year? Ok then, you got me, im bias.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

Well let me refresh your memory, monday night against the jets under SS one of the jets came on the blitz he ducked under him the player just missed taking his head off and then yanking him down from behind he then threw and completed a strike 40 yards downfield, there you go.

You can say he held the ball to long but he never had any time to hold it, no different than Brunell, only Brunell would throw the ball away the instant it was hiked, Ramsey had the guts to try and hang in the pocket and make a play with absolutly no protection, thats on the coaches. Of coarse all anyone would say about Brunell since he's been here is that he's afraid to hang in the pocket and make a play. Guys around here make it sound as if Ramsey had all day to throw, let alone just adequet protection, THAT WAS NEVER THE CASE!

As for arm strength, Campbell has no where's near the arm that Ramsey has, Cambpell despite what some may think does not possess a big arm he has maybe slightly above average arm strength.

I am curious, who on our roster was going to play ahead of Pennington? The fact is no one on our roster could make the Jets team [other than Campbell], they don't waste thier time with has beens and never been's, it's nice to see a team doing what they are supposed to be doing grooming a young guy for the backup position and as a future starter, who also could bring back a lot of value in a trade once he developes, lucky us we have no one who can step in and lead this team if Campbell goes down, and we really don't know if Campbell can lead?

I think it's an absolute joke that Brunell is being considered for the primary backup, A JOKE! Of coarse why stop now it was the biggest joke around the league when we traded for him.

So Campbell doesn't have, according to Offiss Hawkings, the arm strength that Ramsey does. And I'm assuming you're also saying that overall Ramsey is better than Campbell. Yet then you say Campbell could make the Jets team...the same Jets team that's eager to unload Ramsey.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by offiss

As for arm strength, Campbell has no where's near the arm that Ramsey has, Cambpell despite what some may think does not possess a big arm he has maybe slightly above average arm strength.

Wrong, wrong wrong. Campbell's arm strength is often hidden by the fact that he has something called touch and he will actually put some air under the ball. Ramsey throws a screen just like he does a 65 yard pass. Like a dart or a javeline. No room for error from the QB and or the receiver. That is a terrible way to play quarterback. Just ask Jeff George.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Wrong, wrong wrong. Campbell's arm strength is often hidden by the fact that he has something called touch and he will actually put some air under the ball. Ramsey throws a screen just like he does a 65 yard pass. Like a dart or a javeline. No room for error from the QB and or the receiver. That is a terrible way to play quarterback. Just ask Jeff George.

Really, really, really, How many passes did Campbell under throw last season? I saw probably 2 a game, I am not saying he doesn't have touch or a strong arm, all I am saying is he's not is Ramsey's league when it comes to arm STRENGTH, that is all. Ramsey has elite arm strength nothing for Campbell to ashamed of here.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by offiss

Really, really, really, How many passes did Campbell under throw last season? I saw probably 2 a game, I am not saying he doesn't have touch or a strong arm, all I am saying is he's not is Ramsey's league when it comes to arm STRENGTH, that is all. Ramsey has elite arm strength nothing for Campbell to ashamed of here.

Well what's average arm strength for the NFL? You say Campbell is slightly above average and I figure that he is well above average. Not top end, but I bet Campbell could throw it in the high sixty yard range. From 65 to not quite 70 yards.