Current cap room?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan242

Try this skinsfans.com/pcinoz/Rule%20of%2051.htm

Thank you that was helpful. First question, why would you step off of Clayton's $4.2 million when you can just step off of the $6.0 million reported at Skinsfan.com?

The Warpath's figures (CrazyCanuck) vary from the SkinsFan information for the following players:

Chris Samuels - $8.6 here, $6.2 there. Here, the $8.6 includes signing bonus from both Samuels' original contract and the one from his recent restructure/extension.

Clinton Portis - $7.0 here, $6.2 there.

Jon Jansen - The figure here does not factor his recent extension.

The Portis and Samuels contracts should be reviewed to determine the correct figures. LaCanfora gets his salary cap information from Skinsfan.com, and he's quoting the $6.0 million in space that they are reporting.

If CC's figures are right for Samuels and Portis, then the Skinsfan.com figures should be revised from $6.0 million of space down to $2.4 million in space.

[skinsfan242]

Only the top 51 players salaries count against the salry cap.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan242

Only the top 51 players salaries count against the salry cap.

OK so you're netting the Pucillo and Frost contracts against the bums that are getting bumped out of the top 51 by their signings?

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by dmek25

where the heck is crazycanuck when you need him?

Sorry, been busy these days.

I just did a cap sheets update (Mar.1). Should be on the site soon. I have us at $4.891M in cap room. This includes everything (Betts, Jansen, Brunell, Vincent, Fauria, etc.).

Here's the breakdown:

Total Cap Hits - $106,672
Less: Rule of 51 - $(3,495)
Deadcap - $932
===========================
Grand Total - $104,109

2007 Salary Cap - $109,000

Current Cap Room - $4,891

[SmootSmack]

How will possible anticipated cuts (Wynn, Daniels, Hall, Patten) affect the numbers Nuck

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

How will possible anticipated cuts (Wynn, Daniels, Hall, Patten) affect the numbers Nuck

Player...............Cap Hit...Rel Fee..Savings
Renaldo Wynn.....$4,028...$1,528...$2,500
Phillip Daniels......$3,100...$1,200...$1,900
John Hall............$1,965...$465.....$1,500

Total.................$9,093...$3,193...$5,900


I calculate we can save $1.25M by cutting Patten, but it would be after June 1.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Player...............Cap Hit...Rel Fee..Savings
Renaldo Wynn.....$4,028...$1,528...$2,500
Phillip Daniels......$3,100...$1,200...$1,900
John Hall............$1,965...$465.....$1,500

Total.................$9,093...$3,193...$5,900


I calculate we can save $1.25M by cutting Patten, but it would be after June 1.

thanks CC!

[hooskins]

Although I trust CC the most, it seems we have two different numbers. CC says 4.9 about 5 and JLC says 6. And this other guy is saying 9 or something? How could everyone be coming up with different results?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Although I trust CC the most, it seems we have two different numbers. CC says 4.9 about 5 and JLC says 6. And this other guy is saying 9 or something? How could everyone be coming up with different results?

There isn't an official number so sources will vary.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Although I trust CC the most, it seems we have two different numbers. CC says 4.9 about 5 and JLC says 6. And this other guy is saying 9 or something? How could everyone be coming up with different results?

Differences between CC and the $6.0 that JLC is reporting include differences of opinion on the cap figures of Chris Samuels and Clinton Portis. CC has Samuels and Portis taking up more 2007 space than the figures JLC is drawing from.

Based on my understandings of the cap, I think CC is right on those two contracts. As usual!

I'd figure on $4.9 being the right number. Though that has changed now that Randy Thomas, Mike Sellers, and Vernon Fox all have deals.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Although I trust CC the most, it seems we have two different numbers. CC says 4.9 about 5 and JLC says 6. And this other guy is saying 9 or something? How could everyone be coming up with different results?

Actually I think my Brunell number is off by $1M, so that would bring the cap room to $5.9M on my sheets.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Actually I think my Brunell number is off by $1M, so that would bring the cap room to $5.9M on my sheets.

CC, I notice on your sheets (at least in your update posted Jan 18th), you have Samuels on the books for $8.6 million for 2007 and Portis for $7.0 million.

I'm pretty sure Jason La Canfora gets his information from Rule of 51, which said the Skins were $6.0 million under the cap as of Feb 27th. This information says both Samuels and Portis will count $6.2 million each in 2007.

So that's a source of definite discrepency between your sheet and the one he's using. But looking at Samuels' and Portis' contracts, I think your numbers are probably right because you're factoring in allocated portions of their original signing bonuses, plus bonuses from recent restructures/extensions. I'm not sure this other page is doing that part correctly (they don't break down the numbers like you do, so I'm just educated-guestimating).

That, plus your Brunell calculations that aren't yet posted, probably make up the difference between your numbers and LaCanfora's. Yes, no, maybe so?

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

CC, I notice on your sheets (at least in your update posted Jan 18th), you have Samuels on the books for $8.6 million for 2007 and Portis for $7.0 million.

I'm pretty sure Jason La Canfora gets his information from Rule of 51, which said the Skins were $6.0 million under the cap as of Feb 27th. This information says both Samuels and Portis will count $6.2 million each in 2007.

So that's a source of definite discrepency between your sheet and the one he's using. But looking at Samuels' and Portis' contracts, I think your numbers are probably right because you're factoring in allocated portions of their original signing bonuses, plus bonuses from recent restructures/extensions. I'm not sure this other page is doing that part correctly (they don't break down the numbers like you do, so I'm just educated-guestimating).

That, plus your Brunell calculations that aren't yet posted, probably make up the difference between your numbers and LaCanfora's. Yes, no, maybe so?

I know the pages at skinsfan quite well. They are PCinOZ's cap sheets and his info is usually the best anywhere. When I finish my sheets I always compare them to skinsfan to look for discrepencies. We are usually pretty close but I do find mistakes on his site from time to time.

For Portis and Samuels our numbers are actually very close. The discrepency is there because skinsfan's cap numbers differ between his summary page and details page. If you look at his details page you'll see that our numbers match exacty except for some minor LTBEs. But his summary page doesn't match my numbers or his own numbers from the details page. I'm assuming he made a mistake when copying the data from the details page to the summary page.

[skinsfan242]

As you may notice that schedule doesn't have Vincent on it, but it does have Brunell from before and still has Fauria. That schedule is what Clayton was reporting plus the changes from Thrash and Vincent moves.

[firstdown]

I thought the rule of 51 was how old I'd be when this was finally figured out. I say we go in the middle like around 8,786,561.31.