Next Year's Cap Situation

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I would go the other way if I had to make a decision. Here's why:

1) Archuleta is far more capable of earning a starting role, and thats at a position thats tougher to fill. Lloyd could play the third receiver, but we could probably get better production from James Thrash.

2) If both were to fail to earn starting jobs, Arch can play teams. Lloyd can't.

Gtripp -

I don't like either and I wish we could effectively cut both and move on as a team in the same year but from your analysis it would be hard to cut Llyod, Springs and Arch.

Also, what is your opinion on this - whenever teams trade for future picks it always seems that the team gaining the near term pick always gives the other team more picks - example - when we traded to move up in the Rocky deal we had to give up more picks to do this because we were trading future picks for present picks. Maybe a solution is we trade some current picks to gain additional picks in those years like 2008 or 2009. I know that it may take some years to develop those players but maybe you just chalk those to truely be "rebuilding" and while those young guys develop the team can also be ridding itself of salary cap dead money from all the cuts we will need to eventually make?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Bill B

Gtripp -

I don't like either and I wish we could effectively cut both and move on as a team in the same year but from your analysis it would be hard to cut Llyod, Springs and Arch.

Also, what is your opinion on this - whenever teams trade for future picks it always seems that the team gaining the near term pick always gives the other team more picks - example - when we traded to move up in the Rocky deal we had to give up more picks to do this because we were trading future picks for present picks. Maybe a solution is we trade some current picks to gain additional picks in those years like 2008 or 2009. I know that it may take some years to develop those players but maybe you just chalk those to truely be "rebuilding" and while those young guys develop the team can also be ridding itself of salary cap dead money from all the cuts we will need to eventually make?

That's correct, we can't possibly get rid of both of them. In fact, if we don't get rid of either or one of them right now, the earliest we can get rid of them is after the 2008 season.

With your other point, that certainly seems to be a plausible idea, but I doubt we go that route. For the next two seasons, our only method of acquiring quality players will be through the draft. So the best balance would probably be to use the picks we are given on the best available defensive talent. I would start with a DT this year, who by next year becomes the lynchpin of the defensive line, and re-evaluate our defensive situation before the draft next year.

You don't expect to see any return on draft investment until a player's second season, so we probably don't want to be trading back years into the future and delaying the rebuilding process. DT looks to be a big trouble area in the near (2008) future, so I would spend our top 10 pick this year on a DT like Okoye or Branch, and hope to be able to pick up a second rounder which can become a defensive end. That'd be the best case scenario because Wynn, Daniels, nor Griffin appear likely to return next year.

The key to turning this all around is to cut any defensive player who isn't in our future plans as soon as possible.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Bill B

I would have to say you cut Arch Deluxe over Llyod. Although I am not a fan of either Arch Deluxe has a injured back and is done as a effective player - at least with Lloyd he is healthy and there is a chance that he can play somewhat effectively.

Must have missed something when did Arch injure his back first I've herd of this?

[hagams]

Good gouge. If you are correct, then the FO should have seen this coming. Maybe Tom Cruise can use is magic power to help rebuild a team thats been rebuilding for several years.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

That's correct, we can't possibly get rid of both of them. In fact, if we don't get rid of either or one of them right now, the earliest we can get rid of them is after the 2008 season.

With your other point, that certainly seems to be a plausible idea, but I doubt we go that route. For the next two seasons, our only method of acquiring quality players will be through the draft. So the best balance would probably be to use the picks we are given on the best available defensive talent. I would start with a DT this year, who by next year becomes the lynchpin of the defensive line, and re-evaluate our defensive situation before the draft next year.

You don't expect to see any return on draft investment until a player's second season, so we probably don't want to be trading back years into the future and delaying the rebuilding process. DT looks to be a big trouble area in the near (2008) future, so I would spend our top 10 pick this year on a DT like Okoye or Branch, and hope to be able to pick up a second rounder which can become a defensive end. That'd be the best case scenario because Wynn, Daniels, nor Griffin appear likely to return next year.

The key to turning this all around is to cut any defensive player who isn't in our future plans as soon as possible.

I would also think from your analysis that it will be at least a couple more quiet offseasons until the dead cap money is out of the system - which to me is not a bad thing.

One more question - do you think this year was an off year as to what players were getting - it just seemed like a lot of "average" players were getting contracts that were reserved for superstars. I wonder how teams like the 49ers and Bills look like now as far as their salary cap room in future years.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Bill B

One more question - do you think this year was an off year as to what players were getting - it just seemed like a lot of "average" players were getting contracts that were reserved for superstars. I wonder how teams like the 49ers and Bills look like now as far as their salary cap room in future years.

I think we got some glaring needs filled early with players we were targeting, and then we were done. We wanted Clements, but the market kept him from here, so we got our MLB and a CB.

[BeastsoftheNFCeast]

We currently have 9.7mil in spending room. I think that we should cut daniels, wynn, and collins. Those cuts would free up about 5.6mil. If we are able to trade down then we should add about 3 mil for the draft picks. We should sign a blocking tight end for about 1 mil, and a gaurd for about 2 mil. I think that we should sign a bum 3rd QB like Bramlett that we can sign for next to nothing because they never play. We should sign a punter for about a mil. With taking off about half a mil towards the cap for players that will be bumped off for these new signings, and taking into account the 51player rule, we should still have about 10.3mil left to spend. At this point we already have a complete team, and can free up alot of cap room through cutting players. I would love trade for Bly, but I dont see that happening because of the two CB signings we made. The only player I would with out a doubt cut is David Patten, he does absolutely nothing and is an 11 year vet, I can see both Lloyd and Arch contributing significantly more than they did last year, so although I wouldnt mind cutting them I also wouldnt mind not cutting them.

[BeastsoftheNFCeast]

We currently have 9.7mil in spending room. I think that we should cut daniels, wynn, and collins, none of them contribute much and all are double digit vets with significantly large contracts. Those cuts would free up about 5.6mil. If we are able to trade down then we should add about 3 mil for the draft picks. We should sign a blocking tight end for about 1 mil, and a gaurd for about 2 mil. I think that we should sign a bum 3rd QB like Bramlett that we can sign for next to nothing because they never play. We should sign a punter for about a mil. With taking off about half a mil towards the cap for players that will be bumped off for these new signings, and taking into account the 51player rule, we should still have about 10.3mil left to spend. At this point we already have a complete team, and can free up alot of cap room through cutting players. I would love trade for Bly, but I dont see that happening because of the two CB signings we made. The only player I would with out a doubt cut is David Patten, he does absolutely nothing and is an 11 year vet, I can see both Lloyd and Arch contributing significantly more than they did last year, so although I wouldnt mind cutting them I also wouldnt mind not cutting them.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Must have missed something when did Arch injure his back first I've herd of this?

Here is a list of most of Archuletas injuries since he came in the league...


SI.com - NFL - Adam Archuleta Injuries