Have We Seen The Last of Archuleta in a Skins Uniform?

[GoSkins!]

I don't understand why people keep saying we can't absorb Arch's cap hit. He has a 9 mil release fee, but is due a 2.5 mil salary. That means it costs the team 6.5 mil to release him. We have 10 million right now. Why did we push back other players salaries and not sign free agents unless we had a plan to release a big cap hit guy? As I have said before, maybe they have a deal in place to trade for Bly and need money for him, or if that doesn't work, they will cut Arch.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

I don't understand why people keep saying we can't absorb Arch's cap hit. He has a 9 mil release fee, but is due a 2.5 mil salary. That means it costs the team 6.5 mil to release him. We have 10 million right now. Why did we push back other players salaries and not sign free agents unless we had a plan to release a big cap hit guy? As I have said before, maybe they have a deal in place to trade for Bly and need money for him, or if that doesn't work, they will cut Arch.

EXACTLY.

I've been going blue in the face trying to get people to understand this around these parts.

The Skins have cleared $10 million in cap space. Rookies will fit in about $3-$4 million of space. They're clearly preparing to take a big cap hit.

If they kept Springs, he'll cost $7.3 million as his contract stands now. If they trade him, he'll essentially cost us the same thing. So even after trading him, we'll still have $10 million in space. The writing is on the wall; they cleared this cap space to release somebody, absorb the hit now, and clear them off of our troubled 2008 and 2009 books. This move by the Skins in delaying Archuleta's payment is clearly a sign that the team is preparing to make a move.

He's as good as gone in my opinion.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

EXACTLY.

I've been going blue in the face trying to get people to understand this around these parts.

The Skins have cleared $10 million in cap space. Rookies will fit in about $3-$4 million of space. They're clearly preparing to take a big cap hit.

If they kept Springs, he'll cost $7.3 million as his contract stands now. If they trade him, he'll essentially cost us the same thing. So even after trading him, we'll still have $10 million in space. The writing is on the wall; they cleared this cap space to release somebody, absorb the hit now, and clear them off of our troubled 2008 and 2009 books. This move by the Skins in delaying Archuleta's payment is clearly a sign that the team is preparing to make a move.

He's as good as gone in my opinion.

David Patten is also a 2 mil or such cap hit and he's like our non-teams playing 4th receiver. I'm not sure pushing back the bonus means anything in light of the fact that he's guarenteed it no matter what.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

I don't understand why people keep saying we can't absorb Arch's cap hit. He has a 9 mil release fee, but is due a 2.5 mil salary. That means it costs the team 6.5 mil to release him. We have 10 million right now. Why did we push back other players salaries and not sign free agents unless we had a plan to release a big cap hit guy? As I have said before, maybe they have a deal in place to trade for Bly and need money for him, or if that doesn't work, they will cut Arch.

Originally Posted by Schneed10

EXACTLY.

I've been going blue in the face trying to get people to understand this around these parts.

The Skins have cleared $10 million in cap space. Rookies will fit in about $3-$4 million of space. They're clearly preparing to take a big cap hit.

If they kept Springs, he'll cost $7.3 million as his contract stands now. If they trade him, he'll essentially cost us the same thing. So even after trading him, we'll still have $10 million in space. The writing is on the wall; they cleared this cap space to release somebody, absorb the hit now, and clear them off of our troubled 2008 and 2009 books. This move by the Skins in delaying Archuleta's payment is clearly a sign that the team is preparing to make a move.

He's as good as gone in my opinion.

Double true!

It definitely looks like we've freed cap space to take a big deadcap hit, and the only 3 players that logically fit the mold are Arch, Lloyd, and Patten.

Originally Posted by offiss

AA want's out just as bad as we want him out, that is why they have an agreement to extend his bonus, I would be fairly sure that he is willing to kick back money if it lands him with the right team, he knows he's going to get a big check regardless, I just think he was so humilited last season that he has something to prove and knows he can't do it in Williams system, he knows his strengths and weakness's and wasen't used to his strength and from what I can remember he flat out called us liers about the condition of how he would be used when he signed. I think something will get done I just don't think he will bring back anything but some cap relief.

Agreed. I also think Arch is the guy to go.

However I still think we can get something in a trade for him. Keep in mind this is a guy who LAST year commanded a $10M signing bonus. Obviously we overpaid, but if we didn't someone else would have surely given him $5M-$7M at least.

This is the same guy that can now be had for the LEAGUE MINIMUM in 2007. And his salary for 2008 is only $1M. And the acquiring team doesn't have to give him any signing bonus or any bonus whatsoever on top of his salary. And the acquiring team can cut him at any time for a deadcap hit of ZERO if things don't work out.

Is this not worth something to someone? Can a player's stock fall so far in one year?

My money's on a trade to the Bears. They wanted him bad last year, plus their D is good enough that Arch won't have to do too much. And like offiss suggested, maybe Arch would even give back some of the money to play for the defending NFC champs.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Double true!

It definitely looks like we've freed cap space to take a big deadcap hit, and the only 3 players that logically fit the mold are Arch, Lloyd, and Patten.



Agreed. I also think Arch is the guy to go.

However I still think we can get something in a trade for him. Keep in mind this is a guy who LAST year commanded a $10M signing bonus. Obviously we overpaid, but if we didn't someone else would have surely given him $5M-$7M at least.

This is the same guy that can now be had for the LEAGUE MINIMUM in 2007. And his salary for 2008 is only $1M. And the acquiring team doesn't have to give him any signing bonus or any bonus whatsoever on top of his salary. And the acquiring team can cut him at any time for a deadcap hit of ZERO if things don't work out.

Is this not worth something to someone? Can a player's stock fall so far in one year?

My money's on a trade to the Bears. They wanted him bad last year, plus their D is good enough that Arch won't have to do too much. And like offiss suggested, maybe Arch would even give back some of the money to play for the defending NFC champs.

A trade with the Bears is possibly,due to Lovie.
But his stock fell so far, I thought it was Black Friday!
I would much rather see them keep this kid one more year. Use him to his strengths and so how he does, it can't be any worse. He MIGHT suprise??
Give Lloyd a one way ticket to nowhere.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

A trade with the Bears is possibly,due to Lovie.
But his stock fell so far, I thought it was Black Friday!
I would much rather see them keep this kid one more year. Use him to his strengths and so how he does, it can't be any worse. He MIGHT suprise??
Give Lloyd a one way ticket to nowhere.

I agree. Give Lloyd's roster spot (and Patten's) to an up and coming receiver who could someday start for us. A guy with some potential.

6 million is a lot to pay to cut your options at the safety position.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I agree. Give Lloyd's roster spot (and Patten's) to an up and coming receiver who could someday start for us. A guy with some potential.

6 million is a lot to pay to cut your options at the safety position.

ok arch will be with the team next year and he better produce or something will happen to arch hahahahahahahahahahaha REALLY!!!!!!!!! j/k but he better produce all that damn money we are paying him and same goes for brandon lloyd disapointing bastards got me excited for nothing last year

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I agree. Give Lloyd's roster spot (and Patten's) to an up and coming receiver who could someday start for us. A guy with some potential.

6 million is a lot to pay to cut your options at the safety position.

I must be the only one left (beside Lloyd's mama) who thinks Lloyd still has upside and potential. I wouldn't give up on him just yet