RUMOR: Skins looking to trade up for C.J.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by 100% PURE WHOOP ASS

UN YEAH, didnt Moss do that in Minnesota........duh?,
Vince Young for Titans
Reggie Bush for Saints

i could be wrong, but i doubt it?

Actually, Randall Cunningham,Chris Carter and Robert Smith and there beastly offensive line had alot to do with that.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by 100% PURE WHOOP ASS

UN YEAH, didnt Moss do that in Minnesota........duh?,
Vince Young for Titans
Reggie Bush for Saints

i could be wrong, but i doubt it?

Drew Brees buddy, Reggie Bush had a little to do with there turn around this year, Deuce Mcallister is a much better pure RB than Reggie Bush and had much more to do with the turn around.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

Do you think you can turn it around with one rookie?

Is that what I said....No! That was not the response! BAD ASSUMPTION?
By the way what would CJ be one rookie, unproven at this level.
We are building a defense, which is exactly what we need to be doing.
Which translates to more draft picks. NOT LESS

[Schneed10]

This thread has snowballed out of control. It's like a few people on here got excited about an offense with CJ, started describing the possibilities, a few more people read those posts, they got excited, and before you know it people are actually thinking it's a good idea to trade up to get him.

If he fell to us at #6, I can see the logic in refusing to pass up on him. But trading up? Guys, this is a team sport. One player does not a team make.

We need multiple talented players.

CJ seems like an unbelievable prospect. But what if we traded down and acquired a 2nd and a 3rd rounder? People are getting all excited about CJ, but seem to be forgetting that a 2nd or 3rd round pick can turn into a Guard who ends up to be the next Steve Hutchinson.

Hell, Clinton Portis was a 2nd rounder.

CJ isn't the only stud out there this year. We just have to be shrewd, do our homework, and unearth the gems.

[100% PURE WHOOP ASS]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

This thread has snowballed out of control. It's like a few people on here got excited about an offense with CJ, started describing the possibilities, a few more people read those posts, they got excited, and before you know it people are actually thinking it's a good idea to trade up to get him.

If he fell to us at #6, I can see the logic in refusing to pass up on him. But trading up? Guys, this is a team sport. One player does not a team make.

We need multiple talented players.

CJ seems like an unbelievable prospect. But what if we traded down and acquired a 2nd and a 3rd rounder? People are getting all excited about CJ, but seem to be forgetting that a 2nd or 3rd round pick can turn into a Guard who ends up to be the next Steve Hutchinson.

Hell, Clinton Portis was a 2nd rounder.

CJ isn't the only stud out there this year. We just have to be shrewd, do our homework, and unearth the gems.

thats cause Denver is good at spotting RB talent, I cant believe all the people in here debating if CJ is going to be good, this is a cant miss, and i be damn if the Buc's will let us get a player that could torch there ass this year in a reg. season game,.........PLEASE LETS NOT BE FOOLISH HERE! CJ is pro ready, and he will open up so many opportunities for JC and the Al Saunders Offense, remember before the Colts won the SuperBowl they were a great offensive, before the Defensive became solid, but they were always in the run for the playoffs, if we dont get him.........this will be a sad day in Draft history!!!!

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by 100% PURE WHOOP ASS

thats cause Denver is good at spotting RB talent, I cant believe all the people in here debating if CJ is going to be good, this is a cant miss, and i be damn if the Buc's will let us get a player that could torch there ass this year in a reg. season game,.........PLEASE LETS NOT BE FOOLISH HERE! CJ is pro ready, and he will open up so many opportunities for JC and the Al Saunders Offense, remember before the Colts won the SuperBowl they were a great offensive, before the Defensive became solid, but they were always in the run for the playoffs, if we dont get him.........this will be a sad day in Draft history!!!!

anquan boldin put up 1500 yards on his nearly vet min contract as a rookie, yet he couldn't get the cards into the playoffs. CJ is amazing, but you need a team, and the DL is still (as of now) a steaming turd pile.

reggie bush helped NO, but colston and brees made a bigger difference.. but you see, that's not one player, it's 3 (all studs) plus getting deuce back and playing a lot better defense that got them to the post season.

If CJ falls, it we sign ian scott, or if a post june 1 starting DE fall out of the sky, we might have options. right now we just need to wait and see what trades and players are available at pick #6 on draft day.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by That Guy

anquan boldin put up 1500 yards on his nearly vet min contract as a rookie, yet he couldn't get the cards into the playoffs. CJ is amazing, but you need a team, and the DL is still (as of now) a steaming turd pile.

reggie bush helped NO, but colston and brees made a bigger difference.. but you see, that's not one player, it's 3 (all studs) plus getting deuce back and playing a lot better defense that got them to the post season.

If CJ falls, it we sign ian scott, or if a post june 1 starting DE fall out of the sky, we might have options. right now we just need to wait and see what trades and players are available at pick #6 on draft day.

Yeah, but that is the Cardinals though

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

This thread has snowballed out of control. It's like a few people on here got excited about an offense with CJ, started describing the possibilities, a few more people read those posts, they got excited, and before you know it people are actually thinking it's a good idea to trade up to get him.

If he fell to us at #6, I can see the logic in refusing to pass up on him. But trading up? Guys, this is a team sport. One player does not a team make.

We need multiple talented players.

CJ seems like an unbelievable prospect. But what if we traded down and acquired a 2nd and a 3rd rounder? People are getting all excited about CJ, but seem to be forgetting that a 2nd or 3rd round pick can turn into a Guard who ends up to be the next Steve Hutchinson.

Hell, Clinton Portis was a 2nd rounder.

CJ isn't the only stud out there this year. We just have to be shrewd, do our homework, and unearth the gems.

wow, yeah, trading up = bad. CJ (chad johnson) was a 2nd round pick, and steve smith went in the 3rd. it' really hard to have too many weapons, but breaking the bank for anyone that's not a franchise QB or a dire need would be silly. there's no julius peppers to trade up for, but there is a LOT of DL talent between picks 6 and 15 we could use.

[skinsfan242]

Why would we ever trade up??? It makes no sense. Just let Detroit take him so he won't affect anything, he will be stuck in Detroit. If they do, Quinn or Peterson will slip down to six and our pick will become very valuable to trade down. We can still get a great player, maybe L. Landry at 8 and a DE at 40. Or Amobi at 8 and Grubbs at 40.

[That Guy]

nice to know favre doesn't care much for rodgers, being so eager to write him a ticket out of town.

[Daseal]

Do you think you can turn around a 31st ranked D with FLETCH? Or even Fletch/ Smoot? Come on, that's just crazy

When you can explain to me what we lost on our defense to make it drop that low, I'll explain how we can rebound with those two players.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Daseal

When you can explain to me what we lost on our defense to make it drop that low, I'll explain how we can rebound with those two players.

To the best of my knowledge, our defensive regression was due to a line wide complete regression, Sean Taylor playing undisiplined the entire year, and a group of LBs that forgot how to cover between 2005 and 2006. So the solution would be to upgrade the cover skills of the LBs (done w/Fletcher plus Marshall's move), teach Sean Taylor how to play with discipline and not bite hard on backfield action (might be easy, could be impossible), and upgrade at least 3 defensive line spots with 1st round caliber talent (this will take a few years).

We will improve from our 32 defensive ranking next year, but we will still be pretty bad.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by Daseal

When you can explain to me what we lost on our defense to make it drop that low, I'll explain how we can rebound with those two players.

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First of all I agree Fletch/ Smoot will help as stated. Need More than that.
The rest is pretty easy, were where you last year?
I'll start with CB, non existent, then move right to the linebackers....excluding Marcus, then even further to the front D line, DE/DT. Did I leave anything out?? I guess I could have just simply put the entire Defense?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

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Thats pretty easy, were where you last year?
I'll start with CB, non existent, then move right to the linebackers....excluding Marcus, then even further to the front D line. Pretty much sums it up, don't think I missed to much for you.

Marcus sucked last year too.

We really need him to rebound more than anyone else.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Marcus sucked last year too.

We really need him to rebound more than anyone else.

It wasent that one person did or didnt suck last year...we sucked as a unit. Some people couldnt make the type of plays they did the year before, because they werent getting protection on the defensive side of the football to make those plays. The Defensive line wasent getting pass rush or eating up blocks, so the line backers couldnt go free. The lack of pass rush gave quarterbacks too much time, the lack of effective blitzing by the linebackers gave the secondary too much time. The secondary getting toasted two seconds in didnt give the line enough time to get to the quarterback, it was all a conjointed effort.

I'm a big beliver that games are won and lost on the line of scrimmage and I'd desperately like to see us upgrade at defensive end before we do anything else, especially draft any WR.

I'm not even fully convinced having Calvin Johnson on our team immediatley makes us any better. Who was the last WR to make a serious (and I mean in terms of helping his team win football games) impact his rookie year. Randy Moss is the only one I can think of. JC had a hell of a year last year and didnt even have rythm or timing down with his guys. Just let things develop. Trade down, get some extra picks and lets build a little bit.