Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick

[holcknowsbest]

PP is a nice guy who cant start at safety in the NFL....please dont argue this point because hes spent 9 years in the league and never started plus he tore his acl last year meaning he wont be 100 percent until a year for now, its a two year injury....ARCH is gone and his money with him (we hope). SO NOW WE DRAFT LANDRY WITH 6 OR 8 which ever we have come draft day.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by holcknowsbest

PP is a nice guy who cant start at safety in the NFL....please dont argue this point because hes spent 9 years in the league and never started plus he tore his acl last year meaning he wont be 100 percent until a year for now, its a two year injury....ARCH is gone and his money with him (we hope). SO NOW WE DRAFT LANDRY WITH 6 OR 8 which ever we have come draft day.

I'll argue the point becuase he has started in his career. Plenty of times. You're right about the ACL though. That could be a while.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'll argue the point becuase he has started in his career. Plenty of times. You're right about the ACL though. That could be a while.

true and with the re-signing of stoudmire do we go after landry or do we still go after a stud d lineman i am caught between two worlds

[SmootSmack]

No man named Landry should ever wear a Redskins uniform (RIP Tom)

Seriously though, we need help on the line. Landry will not make us a better team

[offiss]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

No man named Landry should ever wear a Redskins uniform (RIP Tom)

Seriously though, we need help on the line. Landry will not make us a better team

Are you kidding? Landry would be a huge help in the secondary, the guy can match up and cover WR's let alone TE's and backs. One of our biggest problems last season was the absolute lack of safety help for Taylor and the rest of the D-backs, every team attacked AA and anyone else we put there, which hinderd Taylors effectivness with teams just throwing away from him.

I think other than C. Johnson he may be the best player in the top 10

If you put 2 players at the safety position who both can run sub 4.4 that will help our CB's immensly, the ground both Taylor and Landry could cover as Safeties may be unpressidented in football history, when's the last time a team put 2 safeties on the field with that kind of speed? The guy could probably fill in at CB if need be with 4.34 speed.

Safety may not be our biggest need, but given this kid's talent it just may be the right pick, I am not sold on the D-linemen out there, and we have a fair chance of trading down a couple of spots and picking up a 2nd rounder as well. This kid is a better safety than any of these linemen are at thier perspective positions.

I would hope to trade down and grab Landry, then see if we can come away with one of 3 different players, either Jarvis Moss who I think in a couple of years after having added some bulk to his frame might be the best of the pass rushers, [he reminds me a little of Charles haley] Justin Blalock, or Ben Grubbs at the O-guard position. I think we need to draft for talent rather than need right now, I don't want to get wrapped up into drafting a lineman who is just an average NFL lineman, I see to many weakness in these lineman, there really isn't a total package amoungst them.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

Are you kidding? Landry would be a huge help in the secondary, the guy can match up and cover WR's let alone TE's and backs. One of our biggest problems last season was the absolute lack of safety help for Taylor and the rest of the D-backs, every team attacked AA and anyone else we put there, which hinderd Taylors effectivness with teams just throwing away from him.

I think other than C. Johnson he may be the best player in the top 10

If you put 2 players at the safety position who both can run sub 4.4 that will help our CB's immensly, the ground both Taylor and Landry could cover as Safeties may be unpressidented in football history, when's the last time a team put 2 safeties on the field with that kind of speed? The guy could probably fill in at CB if need be with 4.34 speed.

Safety may not be our biggest need, but given this kid's talent it just may be the right pick, I am not sold on the D-linemen out there, and we have a fair chance of trading down a couple of spots and picking up a 2nd rounder as well. This kid is a better safety than any of these linemen are at thier perspective positions.

I would hope to trade down and grab Landry, then see if we can come away with one of 3 different players, either Jarvis Moss who I think in a couple of years after having added some bulk to his frame might be the best of the pass rushers, [he reminds me a little of Charles haley] Justin Blalock, or Ben Grubbs at the O-guard position. I think we need to draft for talent rather than need right now, I don't want to get wrapped up into drafting a lineman who is just an average NFL lineman, I see to many weakness in these lineman, there really isn't a total package amoungst them.

If we trade down and Landry is one of several picks, sure I have no problem with that. But I believe if we hold at #6 and take Landry over a D-lineman...well then, we might as well just draft Ted Ginn at #6 and make him our safety

[offiss]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If we trade down and Landry is one of several picks, sure I have no problem with that. But I believe if we hold at #6 and take Landry over a D-lineman...well then, we might as well just draft Ted Ginn at #6 and make him our safety

I don't know why you take a player like Ginn with the 6th pick? Or try to move a lightweight like him to safety???????????

See your problem is like many you seem to be stuck on the fact that you have to draft a lineman because of need regardless if he has NFL ability to be a big difference maker.

So I guess we draft Adams and field 2 undersized D-lineman who will get man handled at the line of scrimmage, instead of just Carter being thrown around by TE's. Funny here we are addressing a pass rusher again this year, but correct me if I am wrong wasn't this addressed last off season? And there you have it signing or drafting players out of need rather than actual ability can become very repetitive, and expensive. In other words we may winde up with an average NFL lineman who's production wouldn't be much different than most other NFL lineman, rather than a real stud to pair with Taylor. And yes we should be able to trade down a bit recoupe some picks or pick and still get him.

And correct me if I am wrong again at last glance we do have a big need at safety, enough so that last season we handed out the biggest contract ever for a safety to pair with Taylor, now that AA is gone and we are back to square one I am to believe that the safety position is no longer that important?

And if we are able to trade down and get both Landry and a #2 that should allow us to either make a move or sit tight and grab either Moss, Blalock, or Grubbs, filling 2 needs instead of 1. Give that scenerio every time!

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by holcknowsbest

PP is a nice guy who cant start at safety in the NFL....please dont argue this point because hes spent 9 years in the league and never started plus he tore his acl last year meaning he wont be 100 percent until a year for now, its a two year injury....ARCH is gone and his money with him (we hope). SO NOW WE DRAFT LANDRY WITH 6 OR 8 which ever we have come draft day.

Well I don't need to argue it because he started in Buffalo and he started for us a lot in '05. Your point on the knee is right on though.

edit: I swear smootsmack and I are different people. Even though we made the same post at the same time.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by holcknowsbest

PP is a nice guy who cant start at safety in the NFL....please dont argue this point because hes spent 9 years in the league and never started plus he tore his acl last year meaning he wont be 100 percent until a year for now, its a two year injury....ARCH is gone and his money with him (we hope). SO NOW WE DRAFT LANDRY WITH 6 OR 8 which ever we have come draft day.

There is no way they use a top pick on a safety. The have Stoutmire and PP. One of them is going to have to get the job done.