Maybe Vinny Cerrato isn't the Anti-Christ

[MTK]

Gibbs is always the first one to stick his neck out and say blame me.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Gibbs is always the first one to stick his neck out and say blame me.

yeah and after a while his apologies have no more value to me.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hooskins

yeah and after a while his apologies have no more value to me.

What else should he say?

Would you be happier if he stopped taking responsibility?

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What else should he say?

Would you be happier if he stopped taking responsibility?

I dont know but after a while I don't know if he is actually sorry and accepting blame, or just saying he is to "look good".

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I dont know but after a while I don't know if he is actually sorry and accepting blame, or just saying he is to "look good".

If you know anything about the man you wouldn't be questioning that at all.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If you know anything about the man you wouldn't be questioning that at all.

All coaches say the right things that the media or fans want to hear, just like athletes. Fact is, Gibbs can lie, or bend the truth just like anyone else. I think he has proven that the last few years. If anyone thinks the guy is HONEST ABE your kidding yourself. Players who were CORE guys, will be with the team for years to come, blah blah blah, all seem to have disapeared. he is as guilty as anyone in this league blowing smoke up peoples asses as anyone.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

All coaches say the right things that the media or fans want to hear, just like athletes. Fact is, Gibbs can lie, or bend the truth just like anyone else. I think he has proven that the last few years. If anyone thinks the guy is HONEST ABE your kidding yourself. Players who were CORE guys, will be with the team for years to come, blah blah blah, all seem to have disapeared. he is as guilty as anyone in this league blowing smoke up peoples asses as anyone.

This is still a bussiness. Gibbs makes a big effort to try and keep core guys on the team. However two things can get in the way: (1) the Salary cap/budget and (2) the value of what a player thinks he is worth in comparison to what the team feels the player is worth. The Redksins are not going to sign a core player regardless of salary.
The guard that just signd with the Bills is a perfect example. That is another Archuleta type contract, the Redskins were smart not to match.. The Bills will end up cutting him in a few years once they realize his true value, just like what happened to Smoot in Minnesota.
Smoot was not worth that Minnesota contract. Archuleta was not worth his redskins contract. It s about being smart with the Salary cap and not having to renegotiate and back loading contracts because we are right up to the Salary cap.
Regardless if the player is a church going great Redskin. Bottom line is this is a bussiness. The NFL should get rid of the salary cap. It hurts the league, the fans and the team when a team can not afford to re-sign a core player because of the cap.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

All coaches say the right things that the media or fans want to hear, just like athletes. Fact is, Gibbs can lie, or bend the truth just like anyone else. I think he has proven that the last few years. If anyone thinks the guy is HONEST ABE your kidding yourself. Players who were CORE guys, will be with the team for years to come, blah blah blah, all seem to have disapeared. he is as guilty as anyone in this league blowing smoke up peoples asses as anyone.

That's not what the original discussion was about. The original discussion had to do with whether or not Gibbs is genuine when he sticks his neck out and is the first one to always take the blame when things are going wrong.

Of course he bends the truth or says what people want to hear regarding certain things like personnel decisions, but I have no doubt that when he says "blame me", he is 110% genuine and losing hurts him to the core.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

All coaches say the right things that the media or fans want to hear, just like athletes. Fact is, Gibbs can lie, or bend the truth just like anyone else. I think he has proven that the last few years. If anyone thinks the guy is HONEST ABE your kidding yourself. Players who were CORE guys, will be with the team for years to come, blah blah blah, all seem to have disapeared. he is as guilty as anyone in this league blowing smoke up peoples asses as anyone.

You said it. Nice post and dead on.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I dont know but after a while I don't know if he is actually sorry and accepting blame, or just saying he is to "look good".

How good can you look when your team sucks and you're the one taking the blame? Look, I'm as disappointed as anyone else with Gibbs this time around, but he truly is an honest man who genuinely says what he means. This past season probably hurt him to his very core.

The man doesn't pass anything off to anyone else, and he doesn't say or do anything to make himself "look good."

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

How good can you look when your team sucks and you're the one taking the blame? Look, I'm as disappointed as anyone else with Gibbs this time around, but he truly is an honest man who genuinely says what he means. This past season probably hurt him to his very core.

The man doesn't pass anything off to anyone else, and he doesn't say or do anything to make himself "look good."

Well said, for once we agree.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Well said, for once we agree.

I just knew we'd find common ground somewhere.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Gibbs is always the first one to stick his neck out and say blame me.

Kind of funny though, almost no one ever does?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

Kind of funny though, almost no one ever does?

Did you sleep through last season?

I think we had a pretty long and heated thread titled 'Gibbs must go' at some point last year.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Did you sleep through last season?

I think we had a pretty long and heated thread titled 'Gibbs must go' at some point last year.

Yea thats me Rumple stiltzSKIN.

Very few are willing to admit Gibbs is off the wall as far as running a team, he knows nothing of personel, including his own. As I said early on in Gibbs second tenure, he has been trying to pound a square peg threw a round hole to try and prove he can run an organization with total control, he is a fish out of water, Bobby Beathard made sure Gibbs was constantly stocked with some of the best talent in the NFL, Gibbs had the luxury of running the ball down any defense's throat any time he wanted to with the hogs that BB assembled. Well Gibbs no longer has the best line in football as he enjoyed for 10 years under BB, and now he is finding it much more dificult to coach without that advantage.