Maybe Vinny Cerrato isn't the Anti-Christ

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If you know anything about the man you wouldn't be questioning that at all.

All coaches say the right things that the media or fans want to hear, just like athletes. Fact is, Gibbs can lie, or bend the truth just like anyone else. I think he has proven that the last few years. If anyone thinks the guy is HONEST ABE your kidding yourself. Players who were CORE guys, will be with the team for years to come, blah blah blah, all seem to have disapeared. he is as guilty as anyone in this league blowing smoke up peoples asses as anyone.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

All coaches say the right things that the media or fans want to hear, just like athletes. Fact is, Gibbs can lie, or bend the truth just like anyone else. I think he has proven that the last few years. If anyone thinks the guy is HONEST ABE your kidding yourself. Players who were CORE guys, will be with the team for years to come, blah blah blah, all seem to have disapeared. he is as guilty as anyone in this league blowing smoke up peoples asses as anyone.

This is still a bussiness. Gibbs makes a big effort to try and keep core guys on the team. However two things can get in the way: (1) the Salary cap/budget and (2) the value of what a player thinks he is worth in comparison to what the team feels the player is worth. The Redksins are not going to sign a core player regardless of salary.
The guard that just signd with the Bills is a perfect example. That is another Archuleta type contract, the Redskins were smart not to match.. The Bills will end up cutting him in a few years once they realize his true value, just like what happened to Smoot in Minnesota.
Smoot was not worth that Minnesota contract. Archuleta was not worth his redskins contract. It s about being smart with the Salary cap and not having to renegotiate and back loading contracts because we are right up to the Salary cap.
Regardless if the player is a church going great Redskin. Bottom line is this is a bussiness. The NFL should get rid of the salary cap. It hurts the league, the fans and the team when a team can not afford to re-sign a core player because of the cap.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

This is still a bussiness. Gibbs makes a big effort to try and keep core guys on the team. However two things can get in the way: (1) the Salary cap/budget and (2) the value of what a player thinks he is worth in comparison to what the team feels the player is worth. The Redksins are not going to sign a core player regardless of salary.
The guard that just signd with the Bills is a perfect example. That is another Archuleta type contract, the Redskins were smart not to match.. The Bills will end up cutting him in a few years once they realize his true value, just like what happened to Smoot in Minnesota.
Smoot was not worth that Minnesota contract. Archuleta was not worth his redskins contract. It s about being smart with the Salary cap and not having to renegotiate and back loading contracts because we are right up to the Salary cap.
Regardless if the player is a church going great Redskin. Bottom line is this is a bussiness. The NFL should get rid of the salary cap. It hurts the league, the fans and the team when a team can not afford to re-sign a core player because of the cap.

are we talking about the same team? the skins smart with cap contracts, not overpaying people? we have done that for 8 years. Just because we show restraint in one FA signing period doesn't knock the trend. Personally, I would rather over pay for one of our own, than to over pay for someone outside the team. Dockery being a perfect example. No he wasn't worth 49 million, but was Arch worth his contract, Randel el, Lloyd, CArter? None of them are worth that money. But for somereason we will overpay those guys and show Dock the door. They knew dock was FA a year, two years ago. The only bright spot of our team last year was the OLINE, the only true dominant aspect of this team. It should have never come down to him even being a FA. That is cap mismanagement. yes they do wonders with moving money around here and there to create space, backload contracts whatever, but you dont let a guy that young, that stong, and that good become a FA.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

are we talking about the same team? the skins smart with cap contracts, not overpaying people? we have done that for 8 years. Just because we show restraint in one FA signing period doesn't knock the trend. Personally, I would rather over pay for one of our own, than to over pay for someone outside the team. Dockery being a perfect example. No he wasn't worth 49 million, but was Arch worth his contract, Randel el, Lloyd, CArter? None of them are worth that money. But for somereason we will overpay those guys and show Dock the door. They knew dock was FA a year, two years ago. The only bright spot of our team last year was the OLINE, the only true dominant aspect of this team. It should have never come down to him even being a FA. That is cap mismanagement. yes they do wonders with moving money around here and there to create space, backload contracts whatever, but you dont let a guy that young, that stong, and that good become a FA.

I agree with everything but Dock, I hope that the leopard really has changed it spots and starting with Dock, mark my words we will be better without him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

All coaches say the right things that the media or fans want to hear, just like athletes. Fact is, Gibbs can lie, or bend the truth just like anyone else. I think he has proven that the last few years. If anyone thinks the guy is HONEST ABE your kidding yourself. Players who were CORE guys, will be with the team for years to come, blah blah blah, all seem to have disapeared. he is as guilty as anyone in this league blowing smoke up peoples asses as anyone.

That's not what the original discussion was about. The original discussion had to do with whether or not Gibbs is genuine when he sticks his neck out and is the first one to always take the blame when things are going wrong.

Of course he bends the truth or says what people want to hear regarding certain things like personnel decisions, but I have no doubt that when he says "blame me", he is 110% genuine and losing hurts him to the core.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

That's not what the original discussion was about. The original discussion had to do with whether or not Gibbs is genuine when he sticks his neck out and is the first one to always take the blame when things are going wrong.

Of course he bends the truth or says what people want to hear regarding certain things like personnel decisions, but I have no doubt that when he says "blame me", he is 110% genuine and losing hurts him to the core.

I dont think anyone would dispute losing hurts him. And taking the blame, thats what a head coach is suppose to do. I dont believe I have ever heard a head coach say the OLINE coach, D-cord, owner are responsible for ANOTHER losing record.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

All coaches say the right things that the media or fans want to hear, just like athletes. Fact is, Gibbs can lie, or bend the truth just like anyone else. I think he has proven that the last few years. If anyone thinks the guy is HONEST ABE your kidding yourself. Players who were CORE guys, will be with the team for years to come, blah blah blah, all seem to have disapeared. he is as guilty as anyone in this league blowing smoke up peoples asses as anyone.

You said it. Nice post and dead on.