NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?

[JoeRedskin]

I think I am scared - Not b/c I think this trade is for crap and that it's going to happen - b/c I think I agree with 56Fanatic.

After reading the comments to the story on ESPN, it looks like Bears fans think they are getting rooked. While not true - the 6th pick is an incredibly good bargaining chip - it's really not that one sided.

Briggs is the franchise player, a straight up trade for him is 2 1st rounders. In this trade, we actually keep a 1st rounder and get a pro-bowl player.

My only real problem with the trade is that we have such a big hole on the DL and by trading down we lose the opportunity to trade the 6th for more shots in the annual crapshoot. Plus, I guess this means Rocky is pretty much a bust.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I think I am scared - Not b/c I think this trade is for crap and that it's going to happen - b/c I think I agree with 56Fanatic.

After reading the comments to the story on ESPN, it looks like Bears fans think they are getting rooked. While not true - the 6th pick is an incredibly good bargaining chip - it's really not that one sided.

Briggs is the franchise player, a straight up trade for him is 2 1st rounders. In this trade, we actually keep a 1st rounder and get a pro-bowl player.

My only real problem with the trade is that we have such a big hole on the DL and by trading down we lose the opportunity to trade the 6th for more shots in the annual crapshoot. Plus, I guess this means Rocky is pretty much a bust.

Maybe you're scared about agreeing with 56fanatic, but I agree with both of you. And I'm a mod, so you're safe

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I think I am scared - Not b/c I think this trade is for crap and that it's going to happen - b/c I think I agree with 56Fanatic.

After reading the comments to the story on ESPN, it looks like Bears fans think they are getting rooked. While not true - the 6th pick is an incredibly good bargaining chip - it's really not that one sided.

Briggs is the franchise player, a straight up trade for him is 2 1st rounders. In this trade, we actually keep a 1st rounder and get a pro-bowl player.

My only real problem with the trade is that we have such a big hole on the DL and by trading down we lose the opportunity to trade the 6th for more shots in the annual crapshoot. Plus, I guess this means Rocky is pretty much a bust.

Yeah but what franchise-tagged player is ever actually worth 2 first rounders? Sean Gilbert certainly wasn't, just ask the Panthers.

We better be getting additional picks besides just the 31st in this deal. Otherwise I'm about done defending Gibbs and his front office moves.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I think I am scared - Not b/c I think this trade is for crap and that it's going to happen - b/c I think I agree with 56Fanatic.

After reading the comments to the story on ESPN, it looks like Bears fans think they are getting rooked. While not true - the 6th pick is an incredibly good bargaining chip - it's really not that one sided.

Briggs is the franchise player, a straight up trade for him is 2 1st rounders. In this trade, we actually keep a 1st rounder and get a pro-bowl player.

My only real problem with the trade is that we have such a big hole on the DL and by trading down we lose the opportunity to trade the 6th for more shots in the annual crapshoot. Plus, I guess this means Rocky is pretty much a bust.

That is funny. I just think this is an awesome deal for us. we get Briggs and the 31st, we dont lose a 1st round pick when generally you lose 2 first rounders dealing for a franchise player. Briggs is a Ray Lewis type LB. Motor is always running, intense guy who plays with not a chip but a log on his shoulder. Put him oposite Marcus, and taylor we have 3 legit game changers. The draft is very deep with DL and DE, we could still address the line. Maybe he will wear 56! I have been waiting for another 56 so I dont have to hear when are you changing your name anymore

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I think I am scared - Not b/c I think this trade is for crap and that it's going to happen - b/c I think I agree with 56Fanatic.

After reading the comments to the story on ESPN, it looks like Bears fans think they are getting rooked. While not true - the 6th pick is an incredibly good bargaining chip - it's really not that one sided.

Briggs is the franchise player, a straight up trade for him is 2 1st rounders. In this trade, we actually keep a 1st rounder and get a pro-bowl player.

My only real problem with the trade is that we have such a big hole on the DL and by trading down we lose the opportunity to trade the 6th for more shots in the annual crapshoot. Plus, I guess this means Rocky is pretty much a bust.

I'm with ya, I don't think on paper this is a bad deal, in fact if we hadn't drafted Rocky it would be a great deal for us. I think everyone's getting all upset over this based on the assumption that Rocky WILL be our starter at wlb. I hope he's ready to be, but as someone said maybe he's a bust, or just hasn't convinced the coaches yet. maybe they see him as a 3rd down LB or to spell both LB spots in some packages?

The other concern is the $. What's the difference between paying the #6 pick & Briggs? Both will get a hefty bonus, but Briggs is a proven commodity.

At #31 we can get a good DE, one that will start. I have reservations about the deal from a team chemistry standpoint more than a talent/value standpoint. As JoeRedskin said, a pro bowl LB & a 1st rnd. pick for a high 1st pick is a good deal. There's more certainty that Briggs will be a top player than the #6 will be. See the recent history of 1st round D-line picks if you disagree.

[Skinny Tee]

The Skins still need a sack threatening DE and that is not something we are going to get with the 31st overall pick of the Bears. The only way we're getting a sack threatening DE is if we stick with our 6th overall.

A. Carter is a sufficent DE in that department but for the off chance that he goes down it would back to the 25 second window of time that other QBs have had every down against us. That has killed us the past two years.

[Beemnseven]

Let's say Smootsmack's theory on Marcus Washington is right, and he's got a nagging problem that bothers the coaches to the point that they need his replacement right away.

Here's what bothers me: It yet again demonstrates this front office's mental block towards the defensive line. Certainly the same argument could be made with regard to Joe Salave'a. He was nicked up all last year, couldn't hold up against the run, and the statistics against the run prove it. But why isn't there the same type of urgency to plan for his replacement? Here we were in prime position at #6 to get an impact player at his position but now, if these reports are true, they're willing to plummet to #31 where it's certain no defensive lineman will be available with any value.

Didn't Joe Gibbs understand how important it was to have a defensive line made up with the likes of Dave Butz, Daryl Grant, Dexter Manley and Charles Mann? What has happened that has taken his focus away from such a vital element to a strong defense?

[JDALY27]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Let's say Smootsmack's theory on Marcus Washington is right, and he's got a nagging problem that bothers the coaches to the point that they need his replacement right away.

Here's what bothers me: It yet again demonstrates this front office's mental block towards the defensive line. Certainly the same argument could be made with regard to Joe Salave'a. He was nicked up all last year, couldn't hold up against the run, and the statistics against the run prove it. But why isn't there the same type of urgency to plan for his replacement? Here we were in prime position at #6 to get an impact player at his position but now, if these reports are true, they're willing to plummet to #31 where it's certain no defensive lineman will be available with any value.

Didn't Joe Gibbs understand how important it was to have a defensive line made up with the likes of Dave Butz, Daryl Grant, Dexter Manley and Charles Mann? What has happened that has taken his focus away from such a vital element to a strong defense?

We could line you up at Defensive End and with Lance Briggs on your side he makes every play.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by JDALY27

We could line you up at Defensive End and with Lance Briggs on your side he makes every play.

Maybe -- but 5-7 yards later? That's the point. All the superstars at linebacker won't matter when they have to make the tackle after a big gain and nobody can stop them at the line of scrimmage.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

I'm with ya, I don't think on paper this is a bad deal, in fact if we hadn't drafted Rocky it would be a great deal for us. I think everyone's getting all upset over this based on the assumption that Rocky WILL be our starter at wlb. I hope he's ready to be, but as someone said maybe he's a bust, or just hasn't convinced the coaches yet. maybe they see him as a 3rd down LB or to spell both LB spots in some packages?

The other concern is the $. What's the difference between paying the #6 pick & Briggs? Both will get a hefty bonus, but Briggs is a proven commodity.

At #31 we can get a good DE, one that will start. I have reservations about the deal from a team chemistry standpoint more than a talent/value standpoint. As JoeRedskin said, a pro bowl LB & a 1st rnd. pick for a high 1st pick is a good deal. There's more certainty that Briggs will be a top player than the #6 will be. See the recent history of 1st round D-line picks if you disagree.

I can't help but agree, even though I would have a tough time giving up no. 6 and probably wouldn't without a gun to my head. There is more than an element of truth in the notion that there will still be a top DL on the board at No. 31. My guess is that the skins think they'll have a great shot at Anthony Spencer, who is almost as fast as Adams and had a spectacular senior year. Even if they miss Spencer, there will still be a great prospect and definate upgrade at DE or DL at No.31. Do the math.