NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?

[#56fanatic]

for the life of me I can't understand all of the negativity towards this proposed deal. We keep a 1st rounder, and gain a STUD of a LB. Rocky may not be developing the way they want, or if they are like me, you just can't pass up on a guy like Briggs. especially when you essentially just change picks and do not lose our 1st rounder. Our D line does need to be addressed, which it will, just later in the draft. The draft is deep enough we can get a quality player. There may be something in the works we do not know about yet. I can't believe the number of people that are all for signing aged up LB or OLINE men, but when a 26 year old beast LB comes available for essentially nothing, people are bashing it. Yes it will cost us, yes Rocky will sit, but that is just a move that can't be ignored. That side of our D was consistantly run all over.

[724Skinsfan]

Does anybody have any insight as to what Williams will do with Lemar, Rocky, Marcus, London and Lance at his disposal. He must be salivating at the thought of all that hard-hitting, high motor personnel that he'll be able to apply his gifted defensive genius to.

I get the feeling that the Skins are in full "all or nothing" mode. GTripp highlights the salary situation in the next couple of years which the Skins may be looking at as well. Perhaps Gibbs/Williams/Saunders/Danny and Yoda realize that even darker times are ahead so it's better load up to win right now.

If Williams has some sort of new swarming LB defense (3-4 hybrid) that he thinks will revolutionize how defenses are played then I can't argue against that. If it's just going to be "same ole, same ole" then I don't see any overwhelmingly positive gain out this as opposed to drafting a stud D-lineman earlier in the draft.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

for the life of me I can't understand all of the negativity towards this proposed deal. We keep a 1st rounder, and gain a STUD of a LB. Rocky may not be developing the way they want, or if they are like me, you just can't pass up on a guy like Briggs. especially when you essentially just change picks and do not lose our 1st rounder. Our D line does need to be addressed, which it will, just later in the draft. The draft is deep enough we can get a quality player. There may be something in the works we do not know about yet. I can't believe the number of people that are all for signing aged up LB or OLINE men, but when a 26 year old beast LB comes available for essentially nothing, people are bashing it. Yes it will cost us, yes Rocky will sit, but that is just a move that can't be ignored. That side of our D was consistantly run all over.

People are against it because it's the same old song.. Overpay for someone else's superstar while not addressing your most pressing need or developing what's in house.. Anyone else remember Jeremiah Trotter and Antonio Pierce? I know one wasn't a replacement for the other but how did that work out for us?

Granted the FO knows more about the talent on the roster than anyone but did they see in the last 3 games that Rocky has no ability to man that position? Did they determine that moving Marshall to the outside automatically renders him ineffective? This is a move you make when you are one player away, not coming off of a 5-11 season with GLARING holes in the defensive line and pass rushing ends..

I hate to play the what if game but the '05 offseason set this team back for years by making 2 dumb decisions, letting Smoot and Pierce go because we seemingly felt there was something else better out there. We are doing the same thing with McIntosh. We don't know what he'll be over 16 games but after wasting a pick to go get him they are replacing him with someone elses superstar.

If OLB was a need, why not get Cato June who is the same age, slightly less accomplished but would cost a HELL of a lot less in compensation ($+draft position). I'm not saying Briggs is not a good LB but he's a luxury item to this current roster, not a necessity.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

for the life of me I can't understand all of the negativity towards this proposed deal. We keep a 1st rounder, and gain a STUD of a LB. Rocky may not be developing the way they want, or if they are like me, you just can't pass up on a guy like Briggs. especially when you essentially just change picks and do not lose our 1st rounder. Our D line does need to be addressed, which it will, just later in the draft. The draft is deep enough we can get a quality player. There may be something in the works we do not know about yet. I can't believe the number of people that are all for signing aged up LB or OLINE men, but when a 26 year old beast LB comes available for essentially nothing, people are bashing it. Yes it will cost us, yes Rocky will sit, but that is just a move that can't be ignored. That side of our D was consistantly run all over.

The problem is we don't have any other picks until round 5 -- and there will not be any defensive linemen at that late stage to help where we need it most. This year's draft is deep at DL, but not that deep. If we take this deal and get the 31st pick, we won't have any bargaining power to trade down -- so there definitely won't be anything else "in the works" if this happens.

Teams ran all over us at the defensive line first -- so it follows that we need to address the front four first. Briggs won't matter at that point.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

The problem is we don't have any other picks until round 5 -- and there will not be any defensive linemen at that late stage to help where we need it most. This year's draft is deep at DL, but not that deep. If we take this deal and get the 31st pick, we won't have any bargaining power to trade down -- so there definitely won't be anything else "in the works" if this happens.

Teams ran all over us at the defensive line first -- so it follows that we need to address the front four first. Briggs won't matter at that point.

We will not know for a few years if you are right about this draft being a deep draft at DL. If it isn't and we take a pick of one D lineman at 6th and pay out that money and it is a miss!!!! It will be a few more years of top 10 in drafts to get back to the play-offs!

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

The problem is we don't have any other picks until round 5 -- and there will not be any defensive linemen at that late stage to help where we need it most. This year's draft is deep at DL, but not that deep. If we take this deal and get the 31st pick, we won't have any bargaining power to trade down -- so there definitely won't be anything else "in the works" if this happens.

Teams ran all over us at the defensive line first -- so it follows that we need to address the front four first. Briggs won't matter at that point.

I should have been more clear. "Later in the draft" i meant the 31st pick for the DL. something in the works, Springs being dealt pick or player, Betts, Portis being dealt for picks. A lot of rumors fly about 1 of our RB's getting dealt on draft day. Or, it could just be one of those players you just can't pass up on, for basically nothing. WE ARE GETTING A 26 YEAR OLD STUD, FOR NOTHING! WE STILL GET TO KEEP A 1st ROUND PICK. I just can't see whats wrong with that. We are not losing picks, we are gaining a stud, and still have a pick to take a lineman. seems like people think we are giving up 2nd and 3rd round picks. we still have a pick in the 1st round. not the 6th, but still the 1st round.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I should have been more clear. "Later in the draft" i meant the 31st pick for the DL. something in the works, Springs being dealt pick or player, Betts, Portis being dealt for picks. A lot of rumors fly about 1 of our RB's getting dealt on draft day. Or, it could just be one of those players you just can't pass up on, for basically nothing. WE ARE GETTING A 26 YEAR OLD STUD, FOR NOTHING! WE STILL GET TO KEEP A 1st ROUND PICK. I just can't see whats wrong with that. We are not losing picks, we are gaining a stud, and still have a pick to take a lineman. seems like people think we are giving up 2nd and 3rd round picks. we still have a pick in the 1st round. not the 6th, but still the 1st round.

1) its not a cost-minded move
2)we have solid LB depth already
3)if you consider the price "nothing", you're probably retarded

It's a stiff price to pay for any linebacker, much less a potentially overrated one.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

1) its not a cost-minded move
2)we have solid LB depth already
3)if you consider the price "nothing", you're probably retarded

It's a stiff price to pay for any linebacker, much less a potentially overrated one.

Your second point may or maynot be valid. Is Wahington ok or is his hip so bad we can't count on him? What is his health?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

Your second point may or maynot be valid. Is Wahington ok or is his hip so bad we can't count on him? What is his health?

I don't think we have ample reason to assume anything is wrong with Washington outside of age and the fact that hes coming off a bad season.

Can he rebound from last year? There's always a chance he might not. But if every team tried to make a deal to replace any player who may or may not have a question mark, I think a few dominant teams would end up with all the draft picks.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

1) its not a cost-minded move
2)we have solid LB depth already
3)if you consider the price "nothing", you're probably retarded

It's a stiff price to pay for any linebacker, much less a potentially overrated one.

yet another immature little ass. are you people seriously that insecure about your man hood that it requires you downgrade yourself to name calling? When does "price" ever matter with this organization? oh, thats right.. Randel El's 30 million, Arch 30million, Lloyds 30 million, were all cost minded?? i forgot

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

yet another immature little ass. are you people seriously that insecure about your man hood that it requires you downgrade yourself to name calling?

Is the irony of this statement not lost on anybody?

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Is the irony of this statement not lost on anybody?

I believe the word is hypocrisy.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Is the irony of this statement not lost on anybody?

you like that. figured I would sink to their level for a few minutes.

[Paintrain]

I haven't seen these types of personal attacks since last February.. Lance Briggs is the new Patrick Ramsey!!!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

yet another immature little ass. are you people seriously that insecure about your man hood that it requires you downgrade yourself to name calling? When does "price" ever matter with this organization? oh, thats right.. Randel El's 30 million, Arch 30million, Lloyds 30 million, were all cost minded?? i forgot

Is, or is not your stance on the trade that we are giving up nothing? My statement wasn't an accusation at all, it was an honest conditional statement. I have a hard time believeing that you really believe what you wrote. It's ridiculous. I figured you were BSing us.

Chill.