Maske/JLC: Gibbs Hints Redskins Might Trade Up

[100% PURE WHOOP ASS]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

100%PURE SETTLE THE HELL DOWN

I wouldn't mind getting rid of Lloyd, seeing as how I hate his soul, but I think we're a pretty run-heavy team in the first place so we won't be relying on our 3rd string receiver anyways.

With that being said, I definitely wouldn't ditch ARE, he's a damn good punt returner, a gadget guy, and he brings versatility no-matter what he's doing, not to mention he's a quality guy in the locker room.


I think getting Calvin Johnson would be like swatting a bunch of gnats with a shot-gun, seems like some over-kill. We'll rely on Portis and Betts in this offense. Remember, run the ball and stop the run.

When the safeties start to cheat up, Mr. Campbell's divine arm will pass to Moss/Cooley/ARE/Betts/Portis/ who cares... We've got weapons, we don't need any more on offense.

Why don't we instead worry about what has plagued us, and will almost definitely plague us next year. Defensive line. I think we've said it enough, but you dreamers out there keep on dreamin'.

Just say no to Calvin Johnson. It makes zero sense.

gotcha big man! im sorry i just get so excited thinking about, how much we screwed up in FA and giving away drafts, but i settle down, your wish big baby? uh huh?

[100% PURE WHOOP ASS]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

For the life of me I just don't understand why people are so against this. HE IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT. I get so tired of people saying we don't need wr's. DID ANYONE WATCH ANY GAMES LAST YEAR????????????? Outside of Santana which WR on our roster has done anything?

When you go 5-11 there is PLENTY of blame to go around. Not just on defense but on offense too. We hopefully solved the problem at QB, LB and DB's. Yes we need DE, DT but do any of you think that maybe alot of the players that are on the board are not that good?

I'll use this comparison one more time. Texans drafted for need and took Mario freaking Williams who didn't do shit. I bet if the Texans had a chance to do it all over again they would take Bush cause he was the best player on in the 06 draft.

We drafted for need a few years ago when Smoot left and took Carlos R. How in the hell did our scouting dept. grade Carlos higher than Merriman or D. Ware?

Calvin J. is simply put a freak. He's going to make any offense better the minute he walks on the field. He's going to do things that will NEVER EVER show up in the stat sheet. Can any of you imagine the PI's this guy will draw? Plus defenses are going to have to slide coverages to his side of the field which could open up all kinds of room for Santana and Cooley. Plus saftey's will never come near the LOS like they did last year when Brunell was QB. Opens up the running game so that helps Portis and Betts.

I hope we package Lloyd and move up and take this guy!!!!!!!

MAN WHO ARE? cause im gone brown nose here, your got damn right, how the hell we missed Merriman or Ware, I think most of the people here think we should get DT or DE, but for the last freakin time, there will be good veterans available come draft time, (bet on it) CJ dont come but every once in 5-10 years, look at all the flops the Lions made! if we can trade up give away this years next years and 1st rounder and a 2nd, shit take it, greg williams is a genius, he will figure it out, and who gives a shit who's the #1 receiver, as long as where winning, thats all i care about and in the red zone, they will have to pay special attention to Johnson, which leaves portis and coley with more plays for them. TAKE HIM, TAKE HIM, TAKE HIM!!!!!!!

[Bill B]

Lets say we do a trade and land Calvin - my question is we would now have 4 WR's on the team that will have $10+ million signing bonuses - isn't this going a little overboard?
So if you get Calvin who do you sit down - my belief is Brandon Llyod will be the one who loses playing time (just a guess - maybe it will actually be ARE)? If it is Llyod how would he react to this? I would think it would not be welcomed by him with open arms. So basically he would become a locker room nightmare and you would eventually have to cut/trade him in a year or so. So in essence we gave up a 3rd and 4th round pick plus a $10+ million signing bonus for 1-2 years of not too much production, plus if we traded up we will have sacrificed who knows how many more picks to get CJ. Why can't the FO give some of the previous pickups more than one year to pan out? If Llyod does not produce this year than I am all for going in a new direction but let the current WR's have a chance with JC.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Bill B

Lets say we do a trade and land Calvin - my question is we would now have 4 WR's on the team that will have $10+ million signing bonuses - isn't this going a little overboard?
So if you get Calvin who do you sit down - my belief is Brandon Llyod will be the one who loses playing time (just a guess - maybe it will actually be ARE)? If it is Llyod how would he react to this? I would think it would not be welcomed by him with open arms. So basically he would become a locker room nightmare and you would eventually have to cut/trade him in a year or so. So in essence we gave up a 3rd and 4th round pick plus a $10+ million signing bonus for 1-2 years of not too much production, plus if we traded up we will have sacrificed who knows how many more picks to get CJ. Why can't the FO give some of the previous pickups more than one year to pan out? If Llyod does not produce this year than I am all for going in a new direction but let the current WR's have a chance with JC.

I'm certainly on board with your way of thinking, and it is that reasoning that makes one wonder if this team will ever get a grip on just what direction it want's to go. Sometimes it apears as if our intention is to court every player of value either in, or coming into the league. And yes!!! I would agree that any atempt to do anything with Lloyd that didn't meet with his aproval would only serve to further deflate his oversized ego.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I'm certainly on board with your way of thinking, and it is that reasoning that makes one wonder if this team will ever get a grip on just what direction it want's to go. Sometimes it apears as if our intention is to court every player of value either in, or coming into the league. And yes!!! I would agree that any atempt to do anything with Lloyd that didn't meet with his aproval would only serve to further deflate his oversized ego.

This team will do and draft what they believe will provide the best marketing opportunity. If it happens to work out football-wise all the better, if not at least they made a big splash in the media during the offseason.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by irish

This team will do and draft what they believe will provide the best marketing opportunity. If it happens to work out football-wise all the better, if not at least they made a big splash in the media during the offseason.

That's the unholy truth associated with having a marketing executive for an owner. Instant dollar signs have a tendency to cloud his longterm view.

[Longtimefan]

Everybody is hot for some action. This is so un-Redskin like to have made so few moves in the spring. Until we signed Fabini a couple days ago, we had made only two out of town moves, Fletcher/Smoot. Therefore, since there's no moves to write or talk about, those yearning have been reduced to the pillow.

[FRPLG]

I officially think the Skins FO is having a good ole time this off season making everyone poop their pants. We have in the span of several weeks.

-Turned down an offer to trade our 6 for like the broncos entire draft board and Al Wilson
-"Almost" consumated a similar deal with Bly instead.
-Have worked feverishly to trade down and get more picks
-Worked to trade up to get CJ
-Redecided to trade down and get Briggs and Chi's 1st
-Redecided to trade up and get CJ.

Without a doubt no one has any clue what the hell we are doing and at this point it has to be by design.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I officially think the Skins FO is having a good ole time this off season making everyone poop their pants. We have in the span of several weeks.

-Turned down an offer to trade our 6 for like the broncos entire draft board and Al Wilson
-"Almost" consumated a similar deal with Bly instead.
-Have worked feverishly to trade down and get more picks
-Worked to trade up to get CJ
-Redecided to trade down and get Briggs and Chi's 1st
-Redecided to trade up and get CJ.

Without a doubt no one has any clue what the hell we are doing and at this point it has to be by design.

Good post. The team clearly doesn't want anyone to have a clear idea what we're going to do on draft day.

I'm sure they have formulated a draft plan and have picked out players they are targeting at this point. But they don't want anyone figuring anything out.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I officially think the Skins FO is having a good ole time this off season making everyone poop their pants. We have in the span of several weeks.

-Turned down an offer to trade our 6 for like the broncos entire draft board and Al Wilson
-"Almost" consumated a similar deal with Bly instead.
-Have worked feverishly to trade down and get more picks
-Worked to trade up to get CJ
-Redecided to trade down and get Briggs and Chi's 1st
-Redecided to trade up and get CJ.

Without a doubt no one has any clue what the hell we are doing and at this point it has to be by design.

And don't forget about sending Betts or Portis to the Jets for Vilma, I think that was the rumor that kicked everything off.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I think the most important tidbit from the article, is that the Redskins are considering a lot of different trades, but the Briggs trade is the only one that has been widely reported. That makes sense - teams will explore their options before deciding which option is the best. It just so happens that only some of the options make the news - making fans think that a proposed trade designed to feel out a team's options are the in fact finalized negotiations.

The rumors make the offseason interesting.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Agreed SS. No one is saying that CJ isn't going to be a great player. I think we'd all love to have him, but not at the expense of the defense (which is clearly the less talented and weaker unit). I suppose if you want something sexy, go pick CJ, but there's a point of diminishing returns - we have enough guys on offense.

Call me crazy, but I'd like to improve upon the 31st ranked defense.

[Gmanc711]

1990 Jeff George, qb Illinois Indianapolis 13 0
1991 Russell Maryland, dt Miami, (Fla.) Dallas 10 1
1992 Steve Emtman, dt Washington Indianapolis 8 0
1993 Drew Bledsoe, qb Washington State New England 14 4
1994 Dan Wilkinson, dt Ohio State Cincinnati 13 0
1995 Ki-Jana Carter, rb Penn State Cincinnati 8 0
1996 Keyshawn Johnson, wr Southern Cal. N.Y. Jets 11 4
1997 Orlando Pace, ot Ohio State St. Louis Rams 10 7
1998 Peyton Manning, qb Tennessee Indianapolis 9 7
1999 Tim Couch, qb Kentucky Cleveland 6 0
2000 Courtney Brown, de Penn State Cleveland 7 0
2001 Michael Vick, qb Virginia Tech Atlanta 6 3
2002 David Carr, qb Fresno State Houston 5 0
2003 Carson Palmer, qb Southern Cal. Cincinnati 4 2
2004 Eli Manning, qb Mississippi San Diego 3 0
2005 Alex Smith, qb Utah San Francisco 2 0
2006 Mario Williams, de N. Carolina State Houston 1 0


Those are all the other "Can't miss" guys in the draft. Do you want any of them. Other than the ones I highlighted, none of these guys made the impact that people think the #1 pick should. So why should we spend the #1 pick and trade up to get that pick for the "cant miss" guy instead of filling needs!?!?

Obviously the jury is still out on a few people. But Mike Williams of Detroit was a "Cant Miss" guy a couple years ago, and he was inactive most of the season.

*I bolded the guys who have "Panned out" for the most part, and even a couple of those are a stretch

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

1990 Jeff George, qb Illinois Indianapolis 13 0
1991 Russell Maryland, dt Miami, (Fla.) Dallas 10 1
1992 Steve Emtman, dt Washington Indianapolis 8 0
1993 Drew Bledsoe, qb Washington State New England 14 4
1994 Dan Wilkinson, dt Ohio State Cincinnati 13 0
1995 Ki-Jana Carter, rb Penn State Cincinnati 8 0
1996 Keyshawn Johnson, wr Southern Cal. N.Y. Jets 11 4
1997 Orlando Pace, ot Ohio State St. Louis Rams 10 7
1998 Peyton Manning, qb Tennessee Indianapolis 9 7
1999 Tim Couch, qb Kentucky Cleveland 6 0
2000 Courtney Brown, de Penn State Cleveland 7 0
2001 Michael Vick, qb Virginia Tech Atlanta 6 3
2002 David Carr, qb Fresno State Houston 5 0
2003 Carson Palmer, qb Southern Cal. Cincinnati 4 2
2004 Eli Manning, qb Mississippi San Diego 3 0
2005 Alex Smith, qb Utah San Francisco 2 0
2006 Mario Williams, de N. Carolina State Houston 1 0


Those are all the other "Can't miss" guys in the draft. Do you want any of them. Other than the ones I highlighted, none of these guys made the impact that people think the #1 pick should. So why should we spend the #1 pick and trade up to get that pick for the "cant miss" guy instead of filling needs!?!?

Obviously the jury is still out on a few people. But Mike Williams of Detroit was a "Cant Miss" guy a couple years ago, and he was inactive most of the season.

*I bolded the guys who have "Panned out" for the most part, and even a couple of those are a stretch

Post of the year candidate right here.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

1990 Jeff George, qb Illinois Indianapolis 13 0
1991 Russell Maryland, dt Miami, (Fla.) Dallas 10 1
1992 Steve Emtman, dt Washington Indianapolis 8 0
1993 Drew Bledsoe, qb Washington State New England 14 4
1994 Dan Wilkinson, dt Ohio State Cincinnati 13 0
1995 Ki-Jana Carter, rb Penn State Cincinnati 8 0
1996 Keyshawn Johnson, wr Southern Cal. N.Y. Jets 11 4
1997 Orlando Pace, ot Ohio State St. Louis Rams 10 7
1998 Peyton Manning, qb Tennessee Indianapolis 9 7
1999 Tim Couch, qb Kentucky Cleveland 6 0
2000 Courtney Brown, de Penn State Cleveland 7 0
2001 Michael Vick, qb Virginia Tech Atlanta 6 3
2002 David Carr, qb Fresno State Houston 5 0
2003 Carson Palmer, qb Southern Cal. Cincinnati 4 2
2004 Eli Manning, qb Mississippi San Diego 3 0
2005 Alex Smith, qb Utah San Francisco 2 0
2006 Mario Williams, de N. Carolina State Houston 1 0


Those are all the other "Can't miss" guys in the draft. Do you want any of them. Other than the ones I highlighted, none of these guys made the impact that people think the #1 pick should. So why should we spend the #1 pick and trade up to get that pick for the "cant miss" guy instead of filling needs!?!?

Obviously the jury is still out on a few people. But Mike Williams of Detroit was a "Cant Miss" guy a couple years ago, and he was inactive most of the season.

*I bolded the guys who have "Panned out" for the most part, and even a couple of those are a stretch

GMANC - wasn't Charles Rogers a "can't miss game changing WR" as well? Plus it pains me to remember this but anyone remember trading away multiple picks to get good old Desmond Howard - he was going to make the Skins unstoppable from what I remember.