Maske/JLC: Gibbs Hints Redskins Might Trade Up

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

For the life of me I just don't understand why people are so against this. HE IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT. I get so tired of people saying we don't need wr's. DID ANYONE WATCH ANY GAMES LAST YEAR????????????? Outside of Santana which WR on our roster has done anything?

When you go 5-11 there is PLENTY of blame to go around. Not just on defense but on offense too. We hopefully solved the problem at QB, LB and DB's. Yes we need DE, DT but do any of you think that maybe alot of the players that are on the board are not that good?

I'll use this comparison one more time. Texans drafted for need and took Mario freaking Williams who didn't do shit. I bet if the Texans had a chance to do it all over again they would take Bush cause he was the best player on in the 06 draft.

We drafted for need a few years ago when Smoot left and took Carlos R. How in the hell did our scouting dept. grade Carlos higher than Merriman or D. Ware?

Calvin J. is simply put a freak. He's going to make any offense better the minute he walks on the field. He's going to do things that will NEVER EVER show up in the stat sheet. Can any of you imagine the PI's this guy will draw? Plus defenses are going to have to slide coverages to his side of the field which could open up all kinds of room for Santana and Cooley. Plus saftey's will never come near the LOS like they did last year when Brunell was QB. Opens up the running game so that helps Portis and Betts.

I hope we package Lloyd and move up and take this guy!!!!!!!

Here's the problem I have with this. We just spend big bucks and picks last year to get Randle-El and Lloyd; two relatively young receivers who have shown they can play in this league. Furthermore, we have Moss and Cooley (who I'll count as a WR for these purposes).

Granted, neither Lloyd nor El put up stellar numbers but a.) we were dealing with a new offense that everyone admits takes a year to learn and b.) Jason Campbell was for all intents and purposes a rookie when he played in the back half of the season.

CJ is great, no question about that. But why do we want to just give up on our current receivers-especially two guys we just spent big on just last year-after only one season in a new offense with a young quarterback. Why not let them grow together?

If you want to tear that unit up then fine, but it's hard to listen then when you turn right around and talk about how we have no patience as a front office, and we need to develop our players and so forth. (and when I say "you" I'm addressing the universal "you")

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Here's the problem I have with this. We just spend big bucks and picks last year to get Randle-El and Lloyd; two relatively young receivers who have shown they can play in this league. Furthermore, we have Moss and Cooley (who I'll count as a WR for these purposes).

Granted, neither Lloyd nor El put up stellar numbers but a.) we were dealing with a new offense that everyone admits takes a year to learn and b.) Jason Campbell was for all intents and purposes a rookie when he played in the back half of the season.

CJ is great, no question about that. But why do we want to just give up on our current receivers-especially two guys we just spent big on just last year-after only one season in a new offense with a young quarterback. Why not let them grow together?

If you want to tear that unit up then fine, but it's hard to listen then when you turn right around and talk about how we have no patience as a front office, and we need to develop our players and so forth. (and when I say "you" I'm addressing the universal "you")

While I'm personally against the trade (even though I hear "Calvin Johnson breaks the TD record and the redskins win the superbowl!" uncontrollably in my head) I think we should probably show the door to Brandon Lloyd.

I think here is a case where we took a chance on a guy. We said, hey, this guy put up some decent numbers with a fairly mediocre QB throwing to him, seems not to be fitting in there, but we've got a lot of characters on our team. I mean look at portis, he's frickin insane. So yeah... maybe we'll be able to get more of those crazy diving catches on a regular basis.

Problem is A) We were wrong about his attitude. This isn't some unique personality, he's just a big whiny baby. He acts like his shit doesn't stink, while everyone can smell him for miles.

and B) He really isn't that good. Now I'm basing this off of my "gut" feeling, but I tend to think pound for pound ARE made a bigger impact on this team. Using statistics to defend your argument either way won't work, because of the situation of our offense, but I really think he's useless.

I've heard the "Let the WR's gel together" argument, but I don't want the chance of our offense "gelling" and mid-season we have a mental breakdown, while throwing off the chemistry and rhythm of the season. I think we should axe Lloyd(who knows maybe try to get a 6 rnd pick for him), and either pick up a vet receiver or give Mike Espy a shot.

I've gone from not sold on Lloyd, to irritated, to sold on throwing him over board. I am fickle, I know.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Here's the problem I have with this. We just spend big bucks and picks last year to get Randle-El and Lloyd; two relatively young receivers who have shown they can play in this league. Furthermore, we have Moss and Cooley (who I'll count as a WR for these purposes).

Granted, neither Lloyd nor El put up stellar numbers but a.) we were dealing with a new offense that everyone admits takes a year to learn and b.) Jason Campbell was for all intents and purposes a rookie when he played in the back half of the season.

CJ is great, no question about that. But why do we want to just give up on our current receivers-especially two guys we just spent big on just last year-after only one season in a new offense with a young quarterback. Why not let them grow together?

If you want to tear that unit up then fine, but it's hard to listen then when you turn right around and talk about how we have no patience as a front office, and we need to develop our players and so forth. (and when I say "you" I'm addressing the universal "you")

We are talking about possibly getting a truely great player. If we were talking about Dwaye Jarrett or the guy from Tenn. then it would be different. I would say keep who we have. It's not worth it. But if you have the chance to get Jerry Rice then you make the move.

It's moot point. It looks like we are going to make the deal to Chi. Sports Talk 980 is reporting that we have made a contract offer to Briggs. 20 million in guar. money.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

We are talking about possibly getting a truely great player. If we were talking about Dwaye Jarrett or the guy from Tenn. then it would be different. I would say keep who we have. It's not worth it. But if you have the chance to get Jerry Rice then you make the move.

It's moot point. It looks like we are going to make the deal to Chi. Sports Talk 980 is reporting that we have made a contract offer to Briggs. 20 million in guar. money.

Contract offer really doesn't mean much if CHI isn't willing to make the trade, which I believe is the case.

Briggs would be a great addition, but I think we need a CB first. Well shit, I want my cake and eat it too, let's get both.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

We are talking about possibly getting a truely great player. If we were talking about Dwaye Jarrett or the guy from Tenn. then it would be different. I would say keep who we have. It's not worth it. But if you have the chance to get Jerry Rice then you make the move.

It's moot point. It looks like we are going to make the deal to Chi. Sports Talk 980 is reporting that we have made a contract offer to Briggs. 20 million in guar. money.

$20 million in guranteed money! I thought that type of money is for shutdown CB's like Champ Bailey - not OLB. Plus what effect would that have on our cap - especially when we need to resign Cooley - Schneed any thoughts on the cap implications of signing Briggs would be like and its effects on the Skins ability to resign Cooley next year?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Bill B

$20 million in guranteed money! I thought that type of money is for shutdown CB's like Champ Bailey - not OLB. Plus what effect would that have on our cap - especially when we need to resign Cooley - Schneed any thoughts on the cap implications of signing Briggs would be like and its effects on the Skins ability to resign Cooley next year?

Adalius Thomas received $20M guaranteed from the Patriots, so I don't think $20M for Briggs is too out of line.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Adalius Thomas received $20M guaranteed from the Patriots, so I don't think $20M for Briggs is too out of line.

I am of the camp that you pay the large bonuses to the superior DE's and shutdown corners, and than spend the remaining amounts on the LB's as far as defensive spending goes.

But lets say we give the large money to Briggs - what is the DL looking like as far as protecting the LB's - not too good in my opinion.
With the amount of money already spent on Washington and Fletcher wouldn't it be more prudent to spend the money up front on the DL? Or if you really want to give a $20 million bonus away why not focus on a shutdown CB to prepare for the eventual departure of Springs?

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by Bill B

I am of the camp that you pay the large bonuses to the superior DE's and shutdown corners, and than spend the remaining amounts on the LB's as far as defensive spending goes.

But lets say we give the large money to Briggs - what is the DL looking like as far as protecting the LB's - not too good in my opinion.
With the amount of money already spent on Washington and Fletcher wouldn't it be more prudent to spend the money up front on the DL? Or if you really want to give a $20 million bonus away why not focus on a shutdown CB to prepare for the eventual departure of Springs?

I think all signs are pointing that we invest our #6 pick, albeit possibly thought a trade down, on the DL. We're going to invest probably more than one pick on it, and IMO it will be the theme of the Redskins in the draft. How nice would it be to trade down and get two first round DL choices.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Bill B

I am of the camp that you pay the large bonuses to the superior DE's and shutdown corners, and than spend the remaining amounts on the LB's as far as defensive spending goes.

But lets say we give the large money to Briggs - what is the DL looking like as far as protecting the LB's - not too good in my opinion.
With the amount of money already spent on Washington and Fletcher wouldn't it be more prudent to spend the money up front on the DL? Or if you really want to give a $20 million bonus away why not focus on a shutdown CB to prepare for the eventual departure of Springs?

I'm not advocating the deal I'm just saying the market has been set for LBs and $20M guaranteed is not out of line for a player of Briggs' caliber. The guaranteed money for corners is now even higher thanks to Clements.

I'd like to see the DL addressed as well, but the offseason is far from over so I'm not going to get too crazy just yet.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not advocating the deal I'm just saying the market has been set for LBs and $20M guaranteed is not out of line for a player of Briggs' caliber. The guaranteed money for corners is now even higher thanks to Clements.

I'd like to see the DL addressed as well, but the offseason is far from over so I'm not going to get too crazy just yet.

Hopefully all these rumors are smokescreens and the team addresses DL and depth across the board. I do think though that a lot of the salaries escalated out of control this offseason and hopefully it was caused more by the availability of cap space than "salary inflation".

The one thing that everyone must take into consideration is that if we do stay at the 6th slot we are basically are on the hook of paying around $15 million in guranteed money to that player. Accroding to Sportstalk 980 today Vernon Davis who was picked 6th last year got about $14.5 million in guranteed money and Pac Man Jones the year before was not too far off this amount as well. To me if we can somehow pull off a trade down and pick up multiple picks it would not only bolster our chances at building depth but vastly help with the salary cap.

[100% PURE WHOOP ASS]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Here's the problem I have with this. We just spend big bucks and picks last year to get Randle-El and Lloyd; two relatively young receivers who have shown they can play in this league. Furthermore, we have Moss and Cooley (who I'll count as a WR for these purposes).

Granted, neither Lloyd nor El put up stellar numbers but a.) we were dealing with a new offense that everyone admits takes a year to learn and b.) Jason Campbell was for all intents and purposes a rookie when he played in the back half of the season.

CJ is great, no question about that. But why do we want to just give up on our current receivers-especially two guys we just spent big on just last year-after only one season in a new offense with a young quarterback. Why not let them grow together?

If you want to tear that unit up then fine, but it's hard to listen then when you turn right around and talk about how we have no patience as a front office, and we need to develop our players and so forth. (and when I say "you" I'm addressing the universal "you")

cause outside of moss and cooley,.........they suck!!!!!!!!!!!! brandon lloyd was a bust, was benched in the middle of the season, and randle el is a 3rd at best, hell in pittsburg he was the third option!!!!!!! hell i package el, lloyd, 6pick and next year 1st rounder on this kid,.........he is a cant miss!

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by 100% PURE WHOOP ASS

cause outside of moss and cooley,.........they suck!!!!!!!!!!!! brandon lloyd was a bust, was benched in the middle of the season, and randle el is a 3rd at best, hell in pittsburg he was the third option!!!!!!! hell i package el, lloyd, 6pick and next year 1st rounder on this kid,.........he is a cant miss!

100%PURE SETTLE THE HELL DOWN

I wouldn't mind getting rid of Lloyd, seeing as how I hate his soul, but I think we're a pretty run-heavy team in the first place so we won't be relying on our 3rd string receiver anyways.

With that being said, I definitely wouldn't ditch ARE, he's a damn good punt returner, a gadget guy, and he brings versatility no-matter what he's doing, not to mention he's a quality guy in the locker room.


I think getting Calvin Johnson would be like swatting a bunch of gnats with a shot-gun, seems like some over-kill. We'll rely on Portis and Betts in this offense. Remember, run the ball and stop the run.

When the safeties start to cheat up, Mr. Campbell's divine arm will pass to Moss/Cooley/ARE/Betts/Portis/ who cares... We've got weapons, we don't need any more on offense.

Why don't we instead worry about what has plagued us, and will almost definitely plague us next year. Defensive line. I think we've said it enough, but you dreamers out there keep on dreamin'.

Just say no to Calvin Johnson. It makes zero sense.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

100%PURE SETTLE THE HELL DOWN

I wouldn't mind getting rid of Lloyd, seeing as how I hate his soul, but I think we're a pretty run-heavy team in the first place so we won't be relying on our 3rd string receiver anyways.

With that being said, I definitely wouldn't ditch ARE, he's a damn good punt returner, a gadget guy, and he brings versatility no-matter what he's doing, not to mention he's a quality guy in the locker room.


I think getting Calvin Johnson would be like swatting a bunch of gnats with a shot-gun, seems like some over-kill. We'll rely on Portis and Betts in this offense. Remember, run the ball and stop the run.

When the safeties start to cheat up, Mr. Campbell's divine arm will pass to Moss/Cooley/ARE/Betts/Portis/ who cares... We've got weapons, we don't need any more on offense.

Why don't we instead worry about what has plagued us, and will almost definitely plague us next year. Defensive line. I think we've said it enough, but you dreamers out there keep on dreamin'.

Just say no to Calvin Johnson. It makes zero sense.

Well said. Run the ball and stop the run. We don't need flashy names at every position. We were 4th in the league rushing last year with Portis either dinged up or out the entire time. The passing game will only get better. We've signed some depth to the Oline. NOW WE NEED TO STOP THE FRIGGIN RUN!! We've made an effort to bolster the Dbacks and LBs, to me at this point the only logical place to go is the defensive line.

[100% PURE WHOOP ASS]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

100%PURE SETTLE THE HELL DOWN

I wouldn't mind getting rid of Lloyd, seeing as how I hate his soul, but I think we're a pretty run-heavy team in the first place so we won't be relying on our 3rd string receiver anyways.

With that being said, I definitely wouldn't ditch ARE, he's a damn good punt returner, a gadget guy, and he brings versatility no-matter what he's doing, not to mention he's a quality guy in the locker room.


I think getting Calvin Johnson would be like swatting a bunch of gnats with a shot-gun, seems like some over-kill. We'll rely on Portis and Betts in this offense. Remember, run the ball and stop the run.

When the safeties start to cheat up, Mr. Campbell's divine arm will pass to Moss/Cooley/ARE/Betts/Portis/ who cares... We've got weapons, we don't need any more on offense.

Why don't we instead worry about what has plagued us, and will almost definitely plague us next year. Defensive line. I think we've said it enough, but you dreamers out there keep on dreamin'.

Just say no to Calvin Johnson. It makes zero sense.

gotcha big man! im sorry i just get so excited thinking about, how much we screwed up in FA and giving away drafts, but i settle down, your wish big baby? uh huh?