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Old 03-29-2007, 11:59 AM   #1
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Honestly, you need to do your weight lifting first. If you do your cardio first, that takes away energy from your body overall, therefore you can't lift as much and cannot get as toned or jacked as you want.

Do all your weight lifting first, THEN do your cardio. Cardio isn't dependent on muscle fatigue, so even if you're tired from your weight lifting, as long as you try with the same effort, you'll burn the same amount of calories.

I do weight training at least two to three times a week and cardio EVERY DAY. If you're looking to tone up, doing thirty, preferably sixty minutes of cardio each day is the only way to get that six pack for the wifey. If you have protein shakes a couple times a day on your lifting days, you'll also probably start building a little bit of muscle. Don't do it every day or else you'll gain weight.
Hey, I've just started back doing some weight lifting and I'm trying to put on some weight as opposed to tone up or maintain; I'm pretty lean. My question is, how often should I drink protein shakes or weight gain if I'm actually trying to put on some weight? Secondly, could anyone recommend a good weight gain protein powder that I should be using?
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Old 03-29-2007, 12:31 PM   #2
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Hey, I've just started back doing some weight lifting and I'm trying to put on some weight as opposed to tone up or maintain; I'm pretty lean. My question is, how often should I drink protein shakes or weight gain if I'm actually trying to put on some weight? Secondly, could anyone recommend a good weight gain protein powder that I should be using?
If you're trying to put weight on...stay away from cardio...put on the muscle you want then trim down later. I drink two a day, one in the morning and one right after a workout. Its also good to take the protein in with some sugar, like a banana, milk, or peanut butter. You also need to be eating a lot of good quality food. I have found that eating around 5 to 6 times a day helps a lot. Your work outs should include low rep high weight sets...like as much as you can lift. As far as specific types of protein, I can't help you. I just buy stuff for taste haha. Other supplements are good though. Glutamine and creatine both help a lot. Just make sure to cycle off for a couple weeks after about a month or so. I hear NO-Explode works pretty well...I was taking Amped for awhile, and it really worked. I went into the gym ready to tear somebody's head off every day...anyway...find what works for you and good luck!
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Old 03-29-2007, 12:38 PM   #3
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Hey, I've just started back doing some weight lifting and I'm trying to put on some weight as opposed to tone up or maintain; I'm pretty lean. My question is, how often should I drink protein shakes or weight gain if I'm actually trying to put on some weight? Secondly, could anyone recommend a good weight gain protein powder that I should be using?
It kind of depends on your metabolism.

I would drink a protein shake before my lift, and before I went to bed (2 scoops in a glass of milk) and could barely do anything but tone. It was probably because I did so much running that I couldn't keep any weight on, but I was tone as hell. I always maintained 185-190 lbs no matter how much I lifted. It sucked.

Now I'm a solid 207, but that's from no running, no lifting, and just being lazy. It's a pretty sweet workout plan.

I would recommend going to Costco if you have a membership. It's cheaper there. If you can't find it there, any vitamin shoppe or GNC will have it. Anyways get the "whey protein" (no whey!). It's like 23 grams of protein per scoop, and definitely get the chocolate, or chocolate mint flavor. Anything else tastes nasty.

Finally, If they have those special protein drink things (to help you mix up the protein) GET IT! It's awful chugging down chunky sludge. Your best bet is probably mixing it in a blender with some ice cream and milk... excellent protein shake.

I think in general the formula for gaining muscle mass is to take in as much protein in grams, as you weigh in pounds. If you weigh 200, make sure you have a 200g protein intake everyday. I could be wrong, maybe it's half, so do your research, but it's something like that.
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Old 03-29-2007, 12:57 PM   #4
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It kind of depends on your metabolism.

I would drink a protein shake before my lift, and before I went to bed (2 scoops in a glass of milk) and could barely do anything but tone. It was probably because I did so much running that I couldn't keep any weight on, but I was tone as hell. I always maintained 185-190 lbs no matter how much I lifted. It sucked.

Now I'm a solid 207, but that's from no running, no lifting, and just being lazy. It's a pretty sweet workout plan.

I would recommend going to Costco if you have a membership. It's cheaper there. If you can't find it there, any vitamin shoppe or GNC will have it. Anyways get the "whey protein" (no whey!). It's like 23 grams of protein per scoop, and definitely get the chocolate, or chocolate mint flavor. Anything else tastes nasty.

Finally, If they have those special protein drink things (to help you mix up the protein) GET IT! It's awful chugging down chunky sludge. Your best bet is probably mixing it in a blender with some ice cream and milk... excellent protein shake.

I think in general the formula for gaining muscle mass is to take in as much protein in grams, as you weigh in pounds. If you weigh 200, make sure you have a 200g protein intake everyday. I could be wrong, maybe it's half, so do your research, but it's something like that.
Thanks. I do have an extremely fast metabolism. In fact, I'm right around 5'11". I probably should weigh around 160-165lbs, but I'm hovering around 150 lbs right now.

Yeah, I was actually checking out the 'Whey' proteins just yesterday. I agree on using the drink mixers. I think I'm going with 'Whey' unless someone recommends something else. And when I'm done, I'm taking Fred Smoots job!!
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Hey, I've just started back doing some weight lifting and I'm trying to put on some weight as opposed to tone up or maintain; I'm pretty lean. My question is, how often should I drink protein shakes or weight gain if I'm actually trying to put on some weight? Secondly, could anyone recommend a good weight gain protein powder that I should be using?
What you really need to check out is the actual protein grams per serving. Just find out that's consistent with the rest. I work out with a guy who spends fifty bucks per five pounds for protein powder while I only spend twenty. In the end, his tastes better than mine, but they both work the same.

To those who are saying cardio prior to weight lifting, I won't say cardio, I'M saying to stretch like any normal person would. Just make sure the blood is flowing, but don't get your heart rate up into the cardiovascular zone by any means. A good ten minutes of stretching should be enough for anyone. Again, it depends on what you want. If you want to bulk, take in a large amount of protein and something to help you synthesize it, and make sure you do lower reps, higher weight to build muscle.
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Old 03-29-2007, 07:58 PM   #6
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What you really need to check out is the actual protein grams per serving. Just find out that's consistent with the rest. I work out with a guy who spends fifty bucks per five pounds for protein powder while I only spend twenty. In the end, his tastes better than mine, but they both work the same.

To those who are saying cardio prior to weight lifting, I won't say cardio, I'M saying to stretch like any normal person would. Just make sure the blood is flowing, but don't get your heart rate up into the cardiovascular zone by any means. A good ten minutes of stretching should be enough for anyone. Again, it depends on what you want. If you want to bulk, take in a large amount of protein and something to help you synthesize it, and make sure you do lower reps, higher weight to build muscle.

Good word. I'm just getting back into the swing of things so I'm going to be in full swing in a week or two.

Another question: Would you work lower body on separate days than uppper? And if so, if my focus is upper body, how many days a week would you recommend, provided that you're going for mass as opposed to being fit or 'looking' good?
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Old 03-29-2007, 07:55 PM   #7
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Hey, I've just started back doing some weight lifting and I'm trying to put on some weight as opposed to tone up or maintain; I'm pretty lean. My question is, how often should I drink protein shakes or weight gain if I'm actually trying to put on some weight? Secondly, could anyone recommend a good weight gain protein powder that I should be using?
I've been pretty consistent with the whey protein by Gold Standard- you definitely need to look for the word "whey" like people have mentioned here... the protein is filtered isolates and has less stuff like fat, etc. I get the 10 pound bag b/c it's a good value, but you can check out a smaller bag to test it for yourself (and only get chocolate... i hear the other stuff is nasty).

Good Value

Invest in a blender too- hand shaking leaves the shake in clumps...
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Old 03-29-2007, 08:00 PM   #8
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I've been pretty consistent with the whey protein by Gold Standard- you definitely need to look for the word "whey" like people have mentioned here... the protein is filtered isolates and has less stuff like fat, etc. I get the 10 pound bag b/c it's a good value, but you can check out a smaller bag to test it for yourself (and only get chocolate... i hear the other stuff is nasty).

Good Value

Invest in a blender too- hand shaking leaves the shake in clumps...

Cool. I went into a GMC just yesterday and checked out a huge jar/jugg. It was like $27. At any rate, that seems like the name most here lean toward.
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