Pastabelly bashes J. Gibbs

[Daseal]

Name a coach that hasnt lost in the last 3 seasons, you cant can you?

Actually, I can name eight. Dungy, Belichick, Schottenheimer, Shanahan, Holmgren, Lewis, Cowher, and Del Rio (Bengals, Steelers, and the Jags all had at least 1 8-8 season, but that’s not losing). That’s a quarter of the league. Surprised?

Randy Moss has talent...what's your point? The point is, every player in this league apparently has the talent to play in the pros, but it comes down to the right coaches bringing them along the right way.

Uh, thanks? This is exactly what I'm saying. Why isn't Gibbs able to bring these guys around and develop the talent we have?

The truth is, Gibbs still has it and will prove it this year. If he doesn't make a believer out of you, then fine. But, the game of football, albeit a change in rules here and there, is still played the same way it was in his first tenure. Gibbs still has the tools, you just have to learn patience.

The game has changed significantly since Gibbs left and he's so much as admitted it. I think three full years is patient. How many coaches get three years to go about their business with a losing record not having to worry about thier job? Not many. Three years is the typical grace period for coaches now days. He's getting a fourth with open arms, but I feel if he doesn't do it, he's in deep trouble.

I know everyone here is biased, but I guarantee you a majority of the football community agrees with me more than you.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Actually, I can name eight. Dungy, Belichick, Schottenheimer, Shanahan, Holmgren, Lewis, Cowher, and Del Rio (Bengals, Steelers, and the Jags all had at least 1 8-8 season, but that’s not losing). That’s a quarter of the league. Surprised?

Every one of which has more talent than we do on their roster. And of course, the Bengals and Jaguars were only playoff teams once over that time. Seems like Gibbs II has done at least the job that Del Rio and Marvin Lewis have if not better.

Shanahan has a unique offensive system, very much like Gibbs, and comes to each game very prepared. But Shanahan's in game ineptitude has cost the Broncos a share of games that they should have won.

San Diego and Indianapolis have epicly GREAT players on their rosters. They have good coaches, but quite clearly, the players are what keeps the teams consistently successful.

Belicheck and Cowher are very solid coaches, but their organizations do a great job finding cheap talent which keeps them successful for a sustained period of time. I would throw Reid and the Eagles onto this list too, even though their 2005 was an injury riddled one.

It's no secret that the most successful coaches have the best players. Gibbs' roster hasn't been all that great since he returned. It could have been, but it wasn't.

The game has changed significantly since Gibbs left and he's so much as admitted it. I think three full years is patient. How many coaches get three years to go about their business with a losing record not having to worry about thier job? Not many. Three years is the typical grace period for coaches now days. He's getting a fourth with open arms, but I feel if he doesn't do it, he's in deep trouble.

I know everyone here is biased, but I guarantee you a majority of the football community agrees with me more than you.

Whenever a guy is away that long, there will be an adjustment period. I'm guessing by the point when Ramsey replaced Brunell in 2004, he was adjusted just fine. Gibbs has been holding up his end of the bargain for this whole time. Arguably, the head coach is responsible for some of the underachieving that has gone on here...but more accurately, the players are professionals. They have to be incharge of themselves. You can't blame Gibbs for not adequately babysitting these guys. If they aren't giving 100% every week, get new guys.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Every one of which has more talent than we do on their roster. And of course, the Bengals and Jaguars were only playoff teams once over that time. Seems like Gibbs II has done at least the job that Del Rio and Marvin Lewis have if not better.

Shanahan has a unique offensive system, very much like Gibbs, and comes to each game very prepared. But Shanahan's in game ineptitude has cost the Broncos a share of games that they should have won.

San Diego and Indianapolis have epicly GREAT players on their rosters. They have good coaches, but quite clearly, the players are what keeps the teams consistently successful.

Belicheck and Cowher are very solid coaches, but their organizations do a great job finding cheap talent which keeps them successful for a sustained period of time. I would throw Reid and the Eagles onto this list too, even though their 2005 was an injury riddled one.

It's no secret that the most successful coaches have the best players. Gibbs' roster hasn't been all that great since he returned. It could have been, but it wasn't.

Whenever a guy is away that long, there will be an adjustment period. I'm guessing by the point when Ramsey replaced Brunell in 2004, he was adjusted just fine. Gibbs has been holding up his end of the bargain for this whole time. Arguably, the head coach is responsible for some of the underachieving that has gone on here...but more accurately, the players are professionals. They have to be incharge of themselves. You can't blame Gibbs for not adequately babysitting these guys. If they aren't giving 100% every week, get new guys.

That's a very weak argument and really says Gibb's has not been able to find the talent, motivate the players, use the cap to find more low wage good players, hire good coaches etc (I hope your not an Atty.)... I thought that was his job as a coach? Oh' but its the other caoches that are doing all of this.
Don't get me wrong I'm glade Gibb's came back but his numbers are his numbers and right now they are below what they need to be. This will be the year for me and if Gibb's can produce a team that will bounce back from last year than I'll be happy.