John McCain: What Went Wrong?

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by saden1

Everyone knows the Dems are a bunch of pussies. I agree about their half-assness.

Are you being sarcastic, because if you're not that's pretty ignorant.

All politicians are pussies. The two party system is flawed, and exists because there main goal is the sustain themselves.

When a politician is elected, his goal, from day one, is to get re-elected. By all means, corrupt or not, your job as a politician is to please your constituents and get re-elected.

That's really the biggest flaw with a representative democracy. If your electing someone, and paying them when they're elected, they'll do what they can to get re-elected. It sucks.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Are you being sarcastic, because if you're not that's pretty ignorant.

All politicians are pussies. The two party system is flawed, and exists because there main goal is the sustain themselves.

On the whole, the Dem politicians (not voters) are bigger wusses than the Republican politicians. Don't get me wrong, the Republicans have just as many flaws as the Dems, but when it comes to the wuss factor, the Dems have that market cornered. The Dems have been fighting that "wuss" label for decades....and for good reason.

For example, Clinton was the consummate Dem - he'd do anything for a few points in the polls (e.g., he actually had his minions do a poll on where he should vacation). Bush, on the other hand, could care less what is in the polls and will do whatever he thinks is right - no matter how wrong he is. Republicans are more principled in my mind, even though I disagree with most of their principles.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

On the whole, the Dems are bigger pussies than the Republicans. Don't get me wrong, the Republicans have just as many flaws as the Dems, but when it comes to the wuss factor, the Dems have that market cornered. The Dems have been fighting that "wuss" label for decades....and for good reason.

For example, Clinton was the consummate Dem - he'd do anything for a few points in the polls (e.g., he actually had his minions do a poll on where he should vacation). Bush, on the other hand, could care less what is in the polls and will do whatever he thinks is right - no matter how wrong he is. Republicans are more principled in my mind, even though I disagree with most of their principles.

What you call "wuss factor" I call understanding what kind of leadership role someone has accepted.

As a representative to lead this country, once your elected as president does that mean ignoring American opinion, and relying on the fact that you've been elected because of who you are, and that's how you'll lead.

For instance, if an issue such as making the Redskins the only team without a salary cap arouse to the president what is he to do?

Does he pay attention to what the country wants; ie using the polls to influence what his policy on the issue is going to be, or does he hold fast believing that the country elected him to make decisions, and he must make the decision that he thinks is right.

It's often a gray line politicians must balance, making policy based on there ideals vs. basing policy on what the people want. As is most cases, the best probably lies somewhere in between.

The president has been elected to represent the people, and the only real way that I know to understand what people want is by paying attention to polls.

The example you highligted points out something that isn't really a shocker. Bush relies on his "gut" to make decisions, as opposed Clinton who took into account what the country actually wanted. I guess your right, that's pretty "wussy".

[saden1]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Are you being sarcastic, because if you're not that's pretty ignorant.

I mean what I said about democrats. When I say a bunch of pussies I mean they put their fingers in air to test the direction of the wind and they go as the wind blows. They are gutless compared to republicans. One thing do admire about the republicans is they stick together and to the issues they want to push.

Democrats don't even know how to negotiate. When the president says I will veto everything I don't agree it's time to up the game to a new level. Take the democrat's attempt to give the Medicare program the ability to negotiate drug prices. This is a moral issue, this is a free market issue yet they will sit by and let him veto the bill and get whatever he wants.

If you're not going to compromise, you're pretty much going to get it in my book. That's how real life is. Unfortunately, the democrats are a bunch of pussies. They can't stand up and say "if you veto all of our initiatives don't even bother sending yours our way."

Simply put, democrats don't know how to play hardball. They are fragmented based on which state they are from. The only reason why the hold power now is because the republicans f'ed up.