Defensive End - How Big is Our Need?

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

I would really like to see a DT or DE. I think Carter played well down the strecth last year and I think it was due to him getting used to the position again at full NFL game speed after taking a year off playing linebacker for the 49ers. What I didn't like seeing him due was out in pass coverage. I noticed he was covering backs coming out of the back field a few times. I don't think he should be doing that (he seemed to get burned a few times), any one else fo the same opinion?

Amoybi Okeye would be a good pick. He's a great player and he is only 19!! I really think it's pretty amazing that he was a DIV 1 football player at 15 years old. He's got great size and speed. He will be a great hole clogger up front.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Now if we trade down I really see Allan Branch be able to be had in the middle of the first round. I think he has really slipped down the boards as of late.

[MTK]

Like we've all said, he turned it on down the stretch so yeah, he deserves some credit for that. Hopefully he can pick up where he left off last year, if not we're in trouble.

I don't know what his problem was during the first half of the season, either way at least he flashed some promise and didn't turn out to be a total failure.

I don't see what's so wrong with recognizing what he did down the stretch, he really did play well.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't see what's so wrong with recognizing what he did down the stretch, he really did play well.

And the reason I think that you have to recognize that is becasue he was playing in a different position for the 49ers. I took him a while to readjust, learn the system, and get comfortable. I think that Carter is the player we saw down the stretch, not early on.

Also, why does everyone complain that he is bad against the run? I think he is pretty good against the run considering he is primarily a pass rusher. Better LB play is what is needed behind him to fix the run on that side. (Remember how much better things got when Lavar replaced Holdman?)

[RedskinPete]

I really think this is not just a pick on the D line this year but a high one in next years draft as well. So if I am right who is the best DE or DT to take in this draft and if we need to get the other next year so be it! Of the DE and DT is the best fit for us?

[GiantsSuck703]

I would like to see Gaines Adams here, thats if we cant make a move for Calvin Johnson. Im not a fan of Jamaal Anderson at all, I would rather us pick Amobi Okoye or Laron Landry before we pick Anderson. I think we could be looking at some serious trade offers though because it looks like Quinn and Peterson will both fall to us, but we cant move back to far and screw ourselves out of an elite player. I think we would be fine with a Dline of:

Carter
Golston
Griffin
Adams

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

I would like to see Gaines Adams here, thats if we cant make a move for Calvin Johnson. Im not a fan of Jamaal Anderson at all, I would rather us pick Amobi Okoye or Laron Landry before we pick Anderson. I think we could be looking at some serious trade offers though because it looks like Quinn and Peterson will both fall to us, but we cant move back to far and screw ourselves out of an elite player. I think we would be fine with a Dline of:

Carter
Golston
Griffin
Adams

Fine until Brandon Jacobs puts up 250 on us. I have an idea, why dont we put Springs at DT? He's quick.

I think Adams would be a good pick, but we can't force him into a role his skills aren't adept for. Two speed rushers are pretty easy to nullify in this league if the QB is smart enough to step up. Adams has to replace Carter if he wants to play.

Adams' isn't a better end than Carriker, IMO. I would take Carriker even with adams available.

I still don't understand why so many people are latched on to Calvin Johnson's nuts. Sure, he very well could turn out to be the next Larry Fitzgerald, but with Moss on the roster already, why is that so exciting?

If you wanted a receiver that bad, why not suggest that we trade the 6th to Arizona for Fitzgerald and their 2nd? I know it's a bad deal, but at least its a better deal than trading up to get Johnson, not to mention that Fitzgerald DOESN'T have bust potential anymore (unlike CJ).

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Fine until Brandon Jacobs puts up 250 on us. I have an idea, why dont we put Springs at DT? He's quick.

I think Adams would be a good pick, but we can't force him into a role his skills aren't adept for. Two speed rushers are pretty easy to nullify in this league if the QB is smart enough to step up. Adams has to replace Carter if he wants to play.

Adams' isn't a better end than Carriker, IMO. I would take Carriker even with adams available.

I still don't understand why so many people are latched on to Calvin Johnson's nuts. Sure, he very well could turn out to be the next Larry Fitzgerald, but with Moss on the roster already, why is that so exciting?

If you wanted a receiver that bad, why not suggest that we trade the 6th to Arizona for Fitzgerald and their 2nd? I know it's a bad deal, but at least its a better deal than trading up to get Johnson, not to mention that Fitzgerald DOESN'T have bust potential anymore (unlike CJ).

Oh yes, I can really see Brandon Jacobs putting up 250 against us. Seriously, lets go ahead and draft a DT who cant rush the passer, then we can stop the run, yet we still give up huge pass plays all game because our DB have to cover for 10-15 seconds, its the same situation as last year. Take the bears for example, two really good DT, they stopped the run in the superbowl, but they couldnt get to Peyton Manning and he torched them. Larry Fitzgerald is a possesion reciever, Calvin Johnson is not, hes tall and very fast, runs great routes and can go up after the ball, hes the complete package as far as recievers are concerned, thats why everyone is on his nuts, as you so wonderfully put it.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

Oh yes, I can really see Brandon Jacobs putting up 250 against us. Seriously, lets go ahead and draft a DT who cant rush the passer, then we can stop the run, yet we still give up huge pass plays all game because our DB have to cover for 10-15 seconds, its the same situation as last year. Take the bears for example, two really good DT, they stopped the run in the superbowl, but they couldnt get to Peyton Manning and he torched them. Larry Fitzgerald is a possesion reciever, Calvin Johnson is not, hes tall and very fast, runs great routes and can go up after the ball, hes the complete package as far as recievers are concerned, thats why everyone is on his nuts, as you so wonderfully put it.

Why don't we draft a player without a painfully glaring weakness, like Amobi Okoye?

The Chicago Bears have better defensive ends than a Carter/Adams combination for sure. Ogunleye and Brown can both rush the passes and defend the run, and Mark Anderson is the prototype for situational pass rusher.

Secondly, the Bears' best DT Tommie Harris, maybe the best DT in the NFL, did not play in the super bowl. The commentators only said this a half billion times.

Thirdly, Peyton Manning torches everyone. We've been over this.

Fourth and finally, you are only talking about one game here.

Defend your position that Larry Fitzgerald is a possession receiver, please.

Also, according to you, the only things that matter for a receiver are that he's tall, fast, runs great routes, and can go up after the ball. So lets pass on Calvin Johnson and get Koren Robinson--A.K.A. the complete package--on the phone.

All wonderful reasons to immortalize a player prior to draft day.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Why don't we draft a player without a painfully glaring weakness, like Amobi Okoye?

The Chicago Bears have better defensive ends than a Carter/Adams combination for sure. Ogunleye and Brown can both rush the passes and defend the run, and Mark Anderson is the prototype for situational pass rusher.

Secondly, the Bears' best DT Tommie Harris, maybe the best DT in the NFL, did not play in the super bowl. The commentators only said this a half billion times.

Thirdly, Peyton Manning torches everyone. We've been over this.

Fourth and finally, you are only talking about one game here.

Defend your position that Larry Fitzgerald is a possession receiver, please.

Also, according to you, the only things that matter for a receiver are that he's tall, fast, runs great routes, and can go up after the ball. So lets pass on Calvin Johnson and get Koren Robinson--A.K.A. the complete package--on the phone.

All wonderful reasons to immortalize a player prior to draft day.

As far as Koren Robinson is concerned, hes actually a pretty good player when he can stay on the field, he just has to many off the field problems, his talent has never been his problem. I have no problem with Okoye, I actually like him as a prospect, I just like Gaines Adams more, would i be upset if we pick Okoye, absolutely not. And im not trying to be a prick, I just would like to know your criteria for a guy being a good reciever if those dont fit the bill. I was using the bears as an example because O-gun and Alex Brown are both small speed rushers, actually i believe both are smaller than Andre Carter and Gaines Adams, which ever way we go in the draft, we will never be able to fix this defense with one draft, its going to take time.

[GTripp0012]

Generally, their comes a point in a guy's college career where no more experience could make him better at that level. NFL scouts generally call these prospects "NFL ready". But just because they have reached the pinnical of the college game does NOT mean they are as ready for the NFL as they are ever be.

Every players' game would benefit from extra time in DI college football, even if the results aren't apparent on the field. Calvin Johnson would be a much more impressive prospect to me had he stayed in school one more year. Had he, he very well might have lived up to the hype.

With the hype at the level it is now, I don't think he has a chance in hell to live up to it.

[skinsfan_nn]

CJ appears to be in a league of his own in this draft. With that being said I don't think for one minute we will end up trading UP or pulling off a deal to bring him to DC!

Futhermore, I don't see WR as a primary concern. Be nice if he feel in our lap, but that's unrealistic. He's probually gonna go inside the top 3 picks in this draft.

[EXoffender]

I too think DT is a more pressing need especially considering the fact that the DT class of '07 is weak. DTs Alan Branch and Justin Harrell seem to be the only difference makers. The only first round DE prospects that seem to fit our present needs are Jamal Anderson and Adam Carriker. Gaines Adams is similiarly sized to Andre Carter and I can't imagine having both on a DL that doesn't have run-stuffing DTs. Gaines is better than Carter but, a more pressing need is upgrading Daniels. Then, the sacks and turnovers will come.

The only other way to go in the first round would be to trade up to get Calvin Johnson...