If Chargers can get a 1st & 3rd for Turner, don't we have to shop Betts?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

I do, becuase if it were my call Stephen Jackson would be a Skin, and SJ is a much better back then Portis.

Funny all I here is how great Portis was last season, who was better him or Betts? You know Betts the RB I have been saying is better suited for Gibbs style of offense for 3 years now, almost everyone on this site was calling him a waste and a lowsy RB before Portis went down, and now he's so valuable he's untradable.

One more for the mystical eye, Adrian Peterson will be a better back than Portis!

You also said Kevin Jones and Julius Jones would be better than CP, yet at the same time you said CP could be just what the Gibbs' offense needs-his best running back ever.

Betts is a fine RB, but he has to take care of his fumbling problem. And he needs to show that he can stay healthy...not only in a contract year for him.

I should just give up any hope that you'll ever learn how to spell "lousy" correctly shouldn't I?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You also said Kevin Jones and Julius Jones would be better than CP, yet at the same time you said CP could be just what the Gibbs' offense needs-his best running back ever.

Betts is a fine RB, but he has to take care of his fumbling problem. And he needs to show that he can stay healthy...not only in a contract year for him.

I should just give up any hope that you'll ever learn how to spell "lousy" correctly shouldn't I?

Yes you should.

And please try to stop harping on one post after I screamed and yelled about how bad that deal for Portis was before we made it, you know just like I did with Brunell. Trying to find a silver lining in a black cloud to try and not believe that Gibbs is off his rocker is allowed once in a while. You might remember that I said Gibbs would have to change the style of his running game to do it in one of those posts as well, funny after a year and half why was Gibbs changing the line blocking for Portis if it is to be believed he was so great? Why has Portis constantly complained about how he is and has been used?

I still like Julies Jones he runs behind a worse line than Portis and still gets his yards, they infact remind me of each other, Portis a little faster, Jones runs a little harder.

As for Kevin Jones I really think he needs to get with a real team, I will judge no player with his kind of potential until he leaves detroit, kind of how tampa bay was for years back in the day.

The fact is I would take either one of those backs over Portis if I am allowed to take back the Bailey trade and trade Bailey off for what I believe we could have recieved was a couple of #1 picks, or at the very least a 1,2,and a 3, that trade would have given us 3 extra picks plus our #2 back, as well we wouldn't have 52 mil invested in one player who is now splitting time with his backup. And yes under those circumstances Stephen Jackson would be a Skin. Along with a lot of other talent to say the least!

As I have stated other times I wanted us to draft Portis with the 2nd round pick when he came out, I thought he would be a great change of pace back who could get you 15 quality carries per game, but he was over blown in that denver style of zone blocking which is perfect for him, he can't handle the work load of an everydown back in a coventional running attack he gets to beat up. Giving up all we gave up and could of had for Portis will never make sense, my biggest problem with Portis has alway's been what he cost us, I would be signing his praises as a player if he were our second rd choice and his contract was reasonable for his abilities, but thats obviously not the case.

Anyway have a blessed Easter SS, and you to matty!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by offiss

I still like Julies Jones he runs behind a worse line than Portis and still gets his yards, they infact remind me of each other, Portis a little faster, Jones runs a little harder.

As for Kevin Jones I really think he needs to get with a real team, I will judge no player with his kind of potential until he leaves detroit, kind of how tampa bay was for years back in the day.

The fact is I would take either one of those backs over Portis if I am allowed to take back the Bailey trade and trade Bailey off for what I believe we could have recieved was a couple of #1 picks, or at the very least a 1,2,and a 3, that trade would have given us 3 extra picks plus our #2 back, as well we wouldn't have 52 mil invested in one player who is now splitting time with his backup. And yes under those circumstances Stephen Jackson would be a Skin. Along with a lot of other talent to say the least!

However if we had Jones and Jones running the ball, we would be much worse off.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

However if we had Jones and Jones running the ball, we would be much worse off.

Worse than 5-11? Then if we had Jones and Jones Calvin Johnson would be a Skin. To bad.

I guess I don't know what we would do without Portis? Perhaps finish 4-12, or make the playoffs like J Jones did? What a coin flip.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by offiss

Worse than 5-11? Then if we had Jones and Jones Calvin Johnson would be a Skin. To bad.

I guess I don't know what we would do without Portis? Perhaps finish 4-12, or make the playoffs like J Jones did? What a coin flip.

Well, we wouldn't have had the no. 4 rushing offense last year or no. 9 in 2005, that's for sure.

Does having the No. 4 rushing attack mean anything in the grand scheme of a 5-11 season? Of course not. Does having the No. 9 rushing attack mean anything in a 10-6 playoff season? Quite obviously, yes.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, we wouldn't have had the no. 4 rushing offense last year or no. 9 in 2005, that's for sure.

Does having the No. 4 rushing attack mean anything in the grand scheme of a 5-11 season? Of course not. Does having the No. 9 rushing attack mean anything in a 10-6 playoff season? Quite obviously, yes.

Absolutly, and who was responsible for most of that rushing attack last season? Betts! Funny we were at 9th with Portis, and 4th mostly without Portis.

In the grand scheme of things it wasen't Portis who delivered a playoff berth, it was the defense hands down! That is the difference between the 2 seasons, not Portis!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by offiss

Absolutly, and who was responsible for most of that rushing attack last season? Betts! Funny we were at 9th with Portis, and 4th mostly without Portis.

In the grand scheme of things it wasen't Portis who delivered a playoff berth, it was the defense hands down! That is the difference between the 2 seasons, not Portis!

Well the defense was certainly the problem this year, but it's not like they didn't cost us a few games last year. It was inconsistent in 2005 (which beats completely crappy).

Our offense was very consistent for most of 2005 and was every bit as good as the defense. People remember the playoff games. People don't remember the games that we lost because our opponents scored way above their season average PPG.

Portis wasn't anymore responsible for the above average offense in 2005 than Brunell or Moss, but he was certainly every bit as important as either.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by offiss

Absolutly, and who was responsible for most of that rushing attack last season? Betts! Funny we were at 9th with Portis, and 4th mostly without Portis.

Mostly without Portis? CP was playing on an injured shoulder for only eight games last season, and produced almost 50% of the yards a healthy Betts produced in 16 games. He also produces five more rushing touchdowns than Betts, and six less fumbles. Please expand on the "Mostly without Portis" comment, because your baseless and outright false statements are getting tough to follow.

[hooskins]

Also Offiss, what about all the fumbles that have plagued Betts? How about the one that cost us the game towards the end of last year.

Sorry to ruin your hard-on for Betts but Portis is better talented too. That is an ex-factor. He isn't just a straight N-S runner, but he can be if he wants to. Also Al was using him wrong in the beginning of the season and when Gibbs took control towards the end of the season he called the runs that Betts had.

Perhaps if Gibbs took control earlier Portis would have had monster numbers too.