The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

No thanks. I don't think he has a strong enoough arm nor is he a very accurate passer.

Does Rattay have a stronger arm than Frye? I mean maybe he does

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Does Rattay have a stronger arm than Frye? I mean maybe he does

To expand that a little bit further, what back-up QB would fit Saunders offense the best?
1) Strong arm strength but not good on reads/immobile? Kyle Boller, Aaron Brooks, Drew Bledsoe(?)
2) Mid-range on arm strength and decent on his reads? Charlie Frye, Todd Bouman, Cleo Lemon(?)
3) Average-only arm strength but great decision making? Brunell, Collins, Trent Green (?)

I'm sure the players I listed aren't exact fits for the limited categories I provided but it's just something to get started with.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

To expand that a little bit further, what back-up QB would fit Saunders offense the best?
1) Strong arm strength but not good on reads/immobile? Kyle Boller, Aaron Brooks, Drew Bledsoe(?)
2) Mid-range on arm strength and decent on his reads? Charlie Frye, Todd Bouman, Cleo Lemon(?)
3) Average-only arm strength but great decision making? Brunell, Collins, Trent Green (?)

I'm sure the players I listed aren't exact fits for the limited categories I provided but it's just something to get started with.

Saunders' system, like every other system, would benefit from having the best QB in there. Style is all relative to talent. Those who make the best reads/decisions are the best quarterbacks. Those who make poor reads/decisions aren't any good at all.

Of that list, Brunell and Trent Green are the only guys who should still be playing in this league. Maybe in a few years, Lemon can be a backup, but that's about it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Does Rattay have a stronger arm than Frye? I mean maybe he does

I think so. Frye throws like crap. He looks like a HS QB. I'm not sure how he made it to the pros.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I think Ramsey would have led us to the Super Bowl, LaVar Arrington would have been the next LT had it not been for his injury, we gave up too much for Clinton Portis, we never should have let Pierce go, and we never should have acquired Trotter.

I just thought I'd make the above points in anticipation of talking about everything that is water under the bridge and beaten to a pulp.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I have always thought highly of Rattay. Rattay isn't a franchise QB, so I understand why San Fran went after a QB with the #1 overall pick and TB let him go after failing to agree to a contract extension with him. But, while he's never going to be a stellar #1, he's probably one of the better #2s in the league. Here are his stats for anyone who is interested.

Where's our resident 49ers fan to enlighten us?

[SmootSmack]

Was it Lloyd that said he stopped caring in San Fran once they let Rattay go, because that told him they didn't care about winning?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Was it Lloyd that said he stopped caring in San Fran once they let Rattay go, because that told him they didn't care about winning?

That was the rumor.

[724Skinsfan]

Maybe I'm missing something between the comparison of Collins and Rattay. How much better is he compared to Collins?They both seem like journeyman backups. The difference is that Collins seems to be liked(trusted) by his offensive coordinator while Rattay is liked by no one. Right now if he's willing to sign for vet minimum then there should be one or two teams that would make him an offer.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Maybe I'm missing something between the comparison of Collins and Rattay. How much better is he compared to Collins?They both seem like journeyman backups. The difference is that Collins seems to be liked(trusted) by his offensive coordinator while Rattay is liked by no one. Right now if he's willing to sign for vet minimum then there should be one or two teams that would make him an offer.

I agree wholeheartedly. I don't understand what makes Rattay so attractive. He's been cast away by two teams now, and has generated little to no interest on the open market.

Gruden thought so highly of him that he went out and signed Garcia and made a play for Plummer.

[MTK]

I'm in favor of as little change as possible this offseason.

After offseason after offseason of changes and major upheavals, I thought most people would feel the same way but apparently not.

The focus of the offseason and upcoming camps should all be on getting Campbell ready. We don't need to be teaching the offense to another new QB, or two as some people seem to want.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm in favor of as little change as possible this offseason.

After offseason after offseason of changes, I thought most people would feel the same way but apparently not.

The focus of the offseason and upcoming camps should all be on getting Campbell ready. We don't need to be teaching the offense to another new QB, or two as some people seem to want.

Wholeheartedly agreed. I'm into the word wholehearted today.

We have one QB coach, Bill Lazor. He needs to focus on Jason Campbell this season. Al Saunders needs to be concerned with Jason Campbell, and the remainder of the offense.

The last thing I want to see is Campbell get shortchanged on time with the coaches just so we can start grooming a Tim Rattay for a future #2 job. It's a misallocation of coaching resources. Todd Collins is low maintenance, he knows what he's doing, coaches don't need to spend extra time with him. We invested a ton in Campbell, and he is showing that he has the talent. We need to make the full investment in him as our QB, which includes investing the coaching man-hours to harvest his talent and generate production.

[dmek25]

once again the voice of reason

[MTK]

Plus we need to consider how valuable having Collins around really is. He's been in this offense for what, 7-8 years now? He's basically like having a player/coach out there. That's a great resource for Campbell not only in practice but in games to bounce things off of.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Plus we need to consider how valuable having Collins around really is. He's been in this offense for what, 7-8 years now? He's basically like having a player/coach out there. That's a great resource for Campbell not only in practice but in games to bounce things off of.

I made this point earlier in the thread, but I got a response that said "coaches coach and players play, Saunders should be teaching the QBs."

Which of course is utterly ridiculous.

Saunders doesn't have time to turn Campbell into the stud we need him to be, coordinate the other 10 players on the field, study film of defenses, call the plays and be the chief game-planner, AND be there for a Tim Rattay every step of the way. And Bill Lazor should be focusing on Campbell's fundamentals, his reads, teaching him to break down film, and staying late after practice working on mechanics, not a Tim Rattay's.

Vet QBs on the sidelines are very helpful. Coaches don't have time for every little thing, especially for the backup QBs. And unlike coaches, vet QBs understand what it's like to have to make the reads under pressure and react quickly. Coaches can instruct you all they want, but they can't relate as well as a veteran player to what it actually feels like to be out there.