The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

So essentially, because Saunders was wrong on Brandon Lloyd (a player he had never coached before), you see that as reason to discredit his judgment on Todd Collins (a player he has coached for years and years)??

Huh??

Saunders has more intelligence and knowledge on Todd Collins than anyone else in the NFL. Admittedly, the Skins were retarded on the Brandon Lloyd move, Saunders included. But if you're saying we can't trust Al Saunders regarding a player he's been around for years and years, then aren't you really saying Saunders' judgment on these matters is totally worthless?

I'm saying that because Saunders likes him is not a good reason to have expectations for him. Every coach has his favorites. That doesn't make them good players necessarily, just overvalued by the team that coach is on.

Collins could be good, but the chances that he's a hidden talent at this point in his career are...well, not very high.

The most logical explination is that he (Saunders) just likes Collins and wants to see him succeed as opposed to another player, such as Rattay. He's not stupid or anything, or willing to sacrifice the betterment of the team for Todd Collins' game, but if Al Saunders won't get him PT, who will?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm saying that because Saunders likes him is not a good reason to have expectations for him. Every coach has his favorites. That doesn't make them good players necessarily, just overvalued by the team that coach is on.

Collins could be good, but the chances that he's a hidden talent at this point in his career are...well, not very high.

The most logical explination is that he (Saunders) just likes Collins and wants to see him succeed as opposed to another player, such as Rattay. He's not stupid or anything, or willing to sacrifice the betterment of the team for Todd Collins' game, but if Al Saunders won't get him PT, who will?

OK first off, is that your whole thing here? Trying to find hidden talent? I guess Gruden just missed the hidden talent that might be there, after all, he let him go, then signed Jeff Garcia, and traded for Jake Plummer.

San Fran was so enamored with that talent that they spent their #1 pick on Alex Smith.

The chances of Tim Rattay being a hidden talent are about the same as Todd Collins, IMO. Nill.

And I strongly disagree with the bolded part. Saunders doesn't just like Collins. Saunders' job is to run a good offense. He's comfortable that while Collins lacks talent, he can come in and manage a game well enough to not screw up. He's no long term answer, but he's a solid safety net when your #1 option goes down. Even coaches like to have insurance, that's what Collins is. Not the son Saunders wished he had.

You and I seem to be talking past each other an awful lot here. So let's just finally get down to the thing that will kill this ridiculous idea:

How do you propose to fit Rattay under our cap in 2007? Are you assuming we'll get him for vet min?