The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by crawfish

What about Gibbs keeping Brunell around? It's the same damn thing.

I'm not quite sure where you're going with your post. But I just feel the need to say I'm definitely not arguing that we should get rid of Brunell yet. He's still serviceable as a backup, but I wouldn't want him starting.

Honestly, a lot of this discussion is neither here nor there. My basic feeling is whoever the coaches want to be the backup QBs, fine with me, as long as it makes salary cap sense. It'd be completely stupid to break the bank for a 3rd QB this year, that's the main reason I'm advocating keeping Collins.

I think we'd all agree that we're hitching our hopes to the wagon of Jason Campbell this year, as well we should. He has by far the most talent on our team (and way more talent than Tim Rattay), and he gives us the best chance to win games at this point.

Backup QBs can be left to the coaching staff and whoever they pick, hey whatever. As long as you're not getting us into cap trouble by signing backup QBs, knock yourself out.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm not quite sure where you're going with your post. But I just feel the need to say I'm definitely not arguing that we should get rid of Brunell yet. He's still serviceable as a backup, but I wouldn't want him starting.

Honestly, a lot of this discussion is neither here nor there. My basic feeling is whoever the coaches want to be the backup QBs, fine with me, as long as it makes salary cap sense. It'd be completely stupid to break the bank for a 3rd QB this year, that's the main reason I'm advocating keeping Collins.

I think we'd all agree that we're hitching our hopes to the wagon of Jason Campbell this year, as well we should. He has by far the most talent on our team (and way more talent than Tim Rattay), and he gives us the best chance to win games at this point.

Backup QBs can be left to the coaching staff and whoever they pick, hey whatever. As long as you're not getting us into cap trouble by signing backup QBs, knock yourself out.

Well, any move that isn't cost effective is stupid. The point is that backup QB is going to be a need next year anyhow, why not address it now while it is cheap to do so.

I could see us screwing up by not looking into the future to find our needs. Backup QB will be a need in a year. As far as this year goes, it really doesn't matter. Campbell is No. 1, Brunell is No. 2 and we have a really good QB situation. The main focus now should be adding youth to the defense via the draft.

[hooskins]

Look this would not workout because Al wont be able to get his reach arounds around from Todd anymore. Why do you think Brunell gets so much love from Gibbs? He gives too...

[hooskins]

Ok I kinda hopped onto this thread a bit late, but why would this happen seeing that Todd is Al's boy? He brought him here from KC and he knows the "system" so why would Al even let this happen. I was joking about the whole reach around thing but I think Al would fight hard against this.

Could anyone summarize how this could happen without removing/seriously upsetting Al?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Ok I kinda hopped onto this thread a bit late, but why would this happen seeing that Todd is Al's boy? He brought him here from KC and he knows the "system" so why would Al even let this happen. I was joking about the whole reach around thing but I think Al would fight hard against this.

Could anyone summarize how this could happen without removing/seriously upsetting Al?

I'm not in any way saying I expect it to happen or that it will happen. I'm just presenting it as a good idea and smart move for the future.

[crawfish]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm not quite sure where you're going with your post. But I just feel the need to say I'm definitely not arguing that we should get rid of Brunell yet. He's still serviceable as a backup, but I wouldn't want him starting.

Honestly, a lot of this discussion is neither here nor there. My basic feeling is whoever the coaches want to be the backup QBs, fine with me, as long as it makes salary cap sense. It'd be completely stupid to break the bank for a 3rd QB this year, that's the main reason I'm advocating keeping Collins.

I think we'd all agree that we're hitching our hopes to the wagon of Jason Campbell this year, as well we should. He has by far the most talent on our team (and way more talent than Tim Rattay), and he gives us the best chance to win games at this point.

Backup QBs can be left to the coaching staff and whoever they pick, hey whatever. As long as you're not getting us into cap trouble by signing backup QBs, knock yourself out.

Let's say a 290lb DE falls on JC's ankle during a pre season game. He's out 6 weeks. Who starts? Brunell. But you just said you don't want him starting and neither does 99% of all the Redskins fans. This is why we need to bring in someone else to compete with Collins. We know if Brunell has to start for 3-6 weeks then we are in trouble. But the only guy I see doing this is Casey Bramlet. He's going back to NFL Europe so who knows. Bring on Casey! He could be the next Jack Delhomme or Kurt Warner.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by crawfish

Let's say a 290lb DE falls on JC's ankle during a pre season game. He's out 6 weeks. Who starts? Brunell. But you just said you don't want him starting and neither does 99% of all the Redskins fans. This is why we need to bring in someone else to compete with Collins. We know if Brunell has to start for 3-6 weeks then we are in trouble. But the only guy I see doing this is Casey Bramlet. He's going back to NFL Europe so who knows. Bring on Casey! He could be the next Jack Delhomme or Kurt Warner.

Wrong. If you are looking for Casey Bramlet to outperform Mark Brunell....I, I can't even finish this sentence. The 3-6 week injury is a perfect situation for a guy like Brunell to start in. Like, I don't think I could have dreamed up a more benefical situation for MB's career. Watch the highlight reels.

There is nothing about Bramlet...at all.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by crawfish

Let's say a 290lb DE falls on JC's ankle during a pre season game. He's out 6 weeks. Who starts? Brunell. But you just said you don't want him starting and neither does 99% of all the Redskins fans. This is why we need to bring in someone else to compete with Collins. We know if Brunell has to start for 3-6 weeks then we are in trouble. But the only guy I see doing this is Casey Bramlet. He's going back to NFL Europe so who knows. Bring on Casey! He could be the next Jack Delhomme or Kurt Warner.

In this scenario Brunell is still the backup QB because after the 3-6 weeks Campbell takes back his starting job.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

In this scenario Brunell is still the backup QB because after the 3-6 weeks Campbell takes back his starting job.

Exactly.

[crawfish]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

In this scenario Brunell is still the backup QB because after the 3-6 weeks Campbell takes back his starting job.

Yes I realize that. But what happens if Brunell has to start for lets say 5 weeks. Can we win with him as our QB? Will our passing game be at an NFL level? I doubt it. Our defense would have to go back to 04-05 form and carry the team.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by crawfish

Yes I realize that. But what happens if Brunell has to start for lets say 5 weeks. Can we win with him as our QB? Will our passing game be at an NFL level? I doubt it. Our defense would have to go back to 04-05 form and carry the team.

It was last year and the year before that...by every possible measure. Will we win those 5 games? Not if the defense plays like it did this year. Then again, if the defense doesn't play better, it doesn't matter who plays QB.

[hooskins]

Also like others have said Ratty vs. Brunell for 2nd string seems like an interesting battle. Much better than Collins vs. Brunell.

Also why is this in the Draft section?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Also why is this in the Draft section?

Thanks for noticing, I just moved it.

[crawfish]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It was last year and the year before that...by every possible measure. Will we win those 5 games? Not if the defense plays like it did this year. Then again, if the defense doesn't play better, it doesn't matter who plays QB.

Sorry. Our passing game last year w/ Brunell was not very good. The guy struggles to throw for 200 yards. I remember a couple of games where he barely threw for 100 yards. Not all his fault though. But if Brunell was playing good he would not have gotten benched.

But I agree. Defense must play better!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by crawfish

Sorry. Our passing game last year w/ Brunell was not very good. The guy struggles to throw for 200 yards. I remember a couple of games where he barely threw for 100 yards. Not all his fault though. But if Brunell was playing good he would not have gotten benched.

But I agree. Defense must play better!

Uh, no? A guy who has a 1st round pick at QB behind him on the depth chart will get replaced whenever the team feels the young gun is ready. Brunell had basically been keeping the seat warm for two years.

Gibbs knew that he'd be costing us some wins when he went to Campbell, but in a lost season, the decision was an easy one. Giving up merely your best chance to win for a much better chance to win in future seasons is a no brainer. Gibbs didn't just fall off the turnip truck, he had a plan with his QBs all along and he stuck to it.