The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I definately agree that Collins has value insofar as he knows Saunders' system inside and out, but I'd also like to see a #3 who is a developmental project or who can step up into the #2 role when Brunell is done. Collins is neither and so I wouldn't be opposed to getting Rattay.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I definately agree that Collins has value insofar as he knows Saunders' system inside and out, but I'd also like to see a #3 who is a developmental project or who can step up into the #2 role when Brunell is done. Collins is neither and so I wouldn't be opposed to getting Rattay.

What if it meant you had to cut Renaldo Wynn to make it work cap-wise?

Because that's what it probably means.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

What if it meant you had to cut Renaldo Wynn to make it work cap-wise?

Because that's what it probably means.

Then I'd be opposed to it. Honestly, Schneed, I think the only disagreement between the two of us is about Rattay's salary. I think Collins has value and I'd like to keep him. But, I'd also like to add a future #2 in anticipation of Brunell's retirement. I like Rattay and think he could be a good #2, but my support of signing Rattay is conditioned on us getting him at a reasonable cost.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Then I'd be opposed to it. Honestly, Schneed, I think the only disagreement between the two of us is about Rattay's salary. I think Collins has value and I'd like to keep him. But, I'd also like to add a future #2 in anticipation of Brunell's retirement. I like Rattay and think he could be a good #2, but my support of signing Rattay is conditioned on us getting him at a reasonable cost.

Yeah I agree you and I are closer on this issue. If Rattay comes at vet minimum, then I can see the logic in getting him here now. It still wouldn't be my preference, because I'd prefer Collins were still around 2 more years. But I could see the logic.

But I see no reason to believe Rattay would take vet minimum when Carr and Harrington are getting $3.0 million a year.

My main beef is with GTripp throughout this thread, who has essentially dismissed the value that a vet QB brings in the form of tutelage, failed to understand that coaches don't have unlimited time to tutor both Campbell and a guy like Rattay effectively, and pish-poshed the judgment of Al Saunders (Collins' coach for 5 years running or whatever it is) regarding Collins' effectiveness.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah I agree you and I are closer on this issue. If Rattay comes at vet minimum, then I can see the logic in getting him here now. It still wouldn't be my preference, because I'd prefer Collins were still around 2 more years. But I could see the logic.

But I see no reason to believe Rattay would take vet minimum when Carr and Harrington are getting $3.0 million a year.

My main beef is with GTripp throughout this thread, who has essentially dismissed the value that a vet QB brings in the form of tutelage, failed to understand that coaches don't have unlimited time to tutor both Campbell and a guy like Rattay effectively, and pish-poshed the judgment of Al Saunders (Collins' coach for 5 years running or whatever it is) regarding Collins' effectiveness.

Hey, maybe I am underestimating the amount of time Saunders' has to instruct his players. But Saunders can always hire more coaches if he needs to. I was under the impression that we had too many coaches already...and that if anything we need to get rid of some of the coaches.

But, hey, apparently we need to keep Todd Collins on board so we can whittle the coaching staff down and still have enough coaching to be going around.

C'mon, either we have too many coaches or not enough. If Collins' only role around here is going to be as an instructor, take his 1 million off the team salary cap and free up his roster spot and make him Lazor's assistant.

I think you are underestimating the competency of most NFL quarterbacks. I'm sure there's a handful of guys in the league who may either struggle to learn the playbook or struggle to understand the philosophies behind the plays, but I think most professional quarterbacks are smart enough to learn it on their own. If they are having an issue, they can go to their position coach and clear things up. Tim Rattay and Jason Campbell won't need to go over to Todd Collins' house after school for playbook tutoring, but it sounds like that's what you are trying to say here.

And continuing to stand by the point that Collins has a future because Saunders has coached him for awhile is assinine at best. We have NO idea what Saunders thinks of Collins as a player outside of the comfort level to play him in a pinch. I'm not pish-poshing his judgement because I'm not the one trying to guess what his judgement is.