Pacman suspended for entire 2007 season!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I'm not going to try to defend anything Pacman Jones has done. However, I think his conduct is an indictment of the way young athletes are treated throughout their lives. Pacman's problems are not new...he was getting into trouble at WVU. Everyone knew it then, he has a problem. He can't stay outta trouble. No one ever did anything about it at West Virginia, all they did was enable him. All so they could make their millions of dollars by exploiting their players, but that's another topic. Pacman had trouble with the law at WVU and everyone around the university did everything they could to keep him on the field so they could make money. All he's ever learned is that as long as he performs on the field, his problems will go away off of it. As much as he made his own decisions, I feel sorry for a lot of the kids who grow up without the advantages most of the people judging them have enjoyed. Especially since, if they didn't have a father, the only males they really see are their coaches and they're too busy trying to figure out how to keep him on the field, rather than out of trouble. It's a little disturbing. I'm not condoning any of Pacman's actions, but I think there's a problem with this society, just as much as with him.

Another thought, Henry and Jones were both disciplinary problems in college. They also went to the same college, West Virginia. Why isn't Rich Rodriguez held accountable in any way? He did nothing about this when they were there. Where the hell was he? He just made sure they kept making the university money by taking them to a bowl game, it's bullshit.

Somehow, I don't think taking a troubled kid and making him a millionaire is the best way to solve people's problems. People should have seen this coming. I feel sorry for Pacman Jones.

I don't feel sorry for that clown at all. He has a chance to make more $ than most people will make in 100 lifetimes. With that comes a certain responsibility. Didn't this guy attend the rookie symposium? sp? At some point you have to learn on your own how to be a man.

I didn't grow up w/ a father around and I had common sense not to hang out with people who carry guns. THAT'S COMMON SENSE!!! Pacman has no common sense and now he has to live with his punishment.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't feel sorry for that clown at all. He has a chance to make more $ than most people will make in 100 lifetimes. With that comes a certain responsibility. Didn't this guy attend the rookie symposium? sp? At some point you have to learn on your own how to be a man.

I didn't grow up w/ a father around and I had common sense not to hang out with people who carry guns. THAT'S COMMON SENSE!!! Pacman has no common sense and now he has to live with his punishment.

I'm not really disagreeing. Also, though, maybe he felt like he grew up in a place where it was thought to be a good idea to carry a gun. He's from a bad part of Atlanta. That's probably a relatively rough area. Also, the point I'm making is that he got a pass his whole life because he could play football. Finally, the rookie symposium is probably something, people like him (those who have been given a pass their whole life), don't have the good sense to pay attention to. Like I've said, he made his own decisions, this is his fault. But there are contributing factors and those factors are the reason I feel sorry for him.

[Hijinx]

What happens to each teams cap space? Can they recover all or part of the money? I mean if it doesn't go to the player does it count toward the cap? Does it make a difference if the Titans release Pacman?


On another note does anyone think this will affect who people draft in the coming years? Will teams choose not to draft a Ramonce Taylor(felony drug possession), Nate Harris(armed robbery), or Eric Wright(sexual assault)? Surely this must cause this type players to drop in the draft. I say this with joy because I have always been for drafting players who had good attitudes as well as skill.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

What happens to each teams cap space? Can they recover all or part of the money? I mean if it doesn't go to the player does it count toward the cap? Does it make a difference if the Titans release Pacman?


On another note does anyone think this will affect who people draft in the coming years? Will teams choose not to draft a Ramonce Taylor(felony drug possession), Nate Harris(armed robbery), or Eric Wright(sexual assault)? Surely this must cause this type players to drop in the draft. I say this with joy because I have always been for drafting players who had good attitudes as well as skill.

If this doesn't make a team re-think a player with conduct issues, they are flat out stupid.

I believe what I heard the TT would be entitled to recover somewhere in the 3 mil range if they choose, that includes bonus monies? I would think that would be a no brainer....no play.....no pay.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't feel sorry for that clown at all. He has a chance to make more $ than most people will make in 100 lifetimes. With that comes a certain responsibility. Didn't this guy attend the rookie symposium? sp? At some point you have to learn on your own how to be a man.

I didn't grow up w/ a father around and I had common sense not to hang out with people who carry guns. THAT'S COMMON SENSE!!! Pacman has no common sense and now he has to live with his punishment.

Very well said.

I don't have much to say on this topic. I wish it would all just go away the fans could talk more football and less criminal behavior. He deserves what he's getting, and hopefully he will learn something for it, because losing the entire 2007 from a developmental perspective will probably keep him from ever reaching his potential. It's going to take him a few years after he's reinstated to work his way back to the level of play he reached last year, and theres no guarentee he will ever regain his pro bowl form again.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Very well said.

I don't have much to say on this topic. I wish it would all just go away the fans could talk more football and less criminal behavior. He deserves what he's getting, and hopefully he will learn something for it, because losing the entire 2007 from a developmental perspective will probably keep him from ever reaching his potential. It's going to take him a few years after he's reinstated to work his way back to the level of play he reached last year, and theres no guarentee he will ever regain his pro bowl form again.

Yupp, and the last point you made is right on. I don't know if he will reach a high level for a while. Also the NFL has to think about the kids that stay up and watch games. Pacman is an appealing player to them because of swagger and hey his name is catchy.

He is just an idiot on so many levels. He makes T.O. seem like a saint.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Yupp, and the last point you made is right on. I don't know if he will reach a high level for a while. Also the NFL has to think about the kids that stay up and watch games. Pacman is an appealing player to them because of swagger and hey his name is catchy.

He is just an idiot on so many levels. He makes T.O. seem like a saint.

I agree.

The NFL would seem like a much safer place if the media would stop villifing everything T.O. does. Owens doesn't engage in criminal behavior, and he's a hard worker. He's a bit overrated as a player, and he's an idiot that handles situations in the worst possible way, but I'm guessing that there's a lot of guys across the league who do that. The difference is everything T.O. does is now a really important occurence, and he ends up getting villified for saying stupid things things when there are people in the league like Pac Man and Henry and Tank Johnson who are actually doing stupid things.

I think the perception of the fans are getting these lines blurred nowadays. Terrell Owens isn't a criminal. Randy Moss isn't a criminal. But because of the mass media coverage on them, the league develops a bad rep when guys like Chris Henry and Pac Man Jones actually do stuff wrong.