Skins stuck at No. 6?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by rvd420

trade 6 pick for samuels and the pats 24 pick and draft charles johnson.

Better yet, the 6th pick and Springs for Bly and hte 21st pick and then trade bly and the 21st for Samuels and the 24th then trade the 24th and Ladell Betts for Shawne Merriman and the Michael Turner.

It could happen.

[rvd420]

just another brainless fan.i was just statin my opinion.:vomit:

[rvd420]

we dont need another dt.we should get charles johnson.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by rvd420

we dont need another dt.we should get charles johnson.

Woah woah, we don't need another DT? Really? Salave'a and Griffin played poorly last year, and we really don't have anything substantial behind them. Sure Montgomery and Golston showed promise, but I would say DT is one of, if not our top need.

And why should we get Charles Johnson? The only way we'd take him is if we somehow acquired a 2nd round pick and didn't chose a D-lineman with our 1st rd pick (trust me, the Samuel trade ain't gonna happen). I haven't seen Johnson rated any higher than the 8th or 9th D-lineman in the draft.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Charles or Calvin?

[stu_nna]

D line is next years project, trade up for Calvin Johnson since the DL prospects at #6 don't seem to be that good. Salvae, Griffin, Daniles, and Carter will have a better year, the secondary is better than last yr. and our new stud middle linebacker will hold things down for 07'. no we won't be in the top 10 defense, but Cambell and Johnson will be our future for the next 10 yrs...or stay at 6 and draft Landry either way the line aint gettin a overhaul this year

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by stu_nna

D line is next years project, trade up for Calvin Johnson since the DL prospects at #6 don't seem to be that good. Salvae, Griffin, Daniles, and Carter will have a better year, the secondary is better than last yr. and our new stud middle linebacker will hold things down for 07'. no we won't be in the top 10 defense, but Cambell and Johnson will be our future for the next 10 yrs...or stay at 6 and draft Landry either way the line aint gettin a overhaul this year

Why will Salave'a, Griffin, etc have a better year? B/c you say so? Other than Andre Carter, I would say our starting D-line is in serious decline and is very much in need of improving. Explain to me why I'm wrong.

[stu_nna]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Why will Salave'a, Griffin, etc have a better year? B/c you say so? Other than Andre Carter, I would say our starting D-line is in serious decline and is very much in need of improving. Explain to me why I'm wrong.

Uh...not just because i say so. Its because both have recouped from injuries, and now we have Salvae subbing out with Golston who will have a better year now that he's progressing into his second. U act as if im saying that our line is great or something. I believe the acquistion of CJ would be worth running with the same line as last year. I do Believe we will be better against the run with minor improvements in the linebacking corps and secondary. With your response I'd love nothing better than to say your wrong, yet i know that our tackles are a year older and Daniels has been fairly unproductive. The idea of CJ and Jason Campbell makes me willing to run with them another year...therefore is suggest to trade up

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by stu_nna

I believe the acquistion of CJ would be worth running with the same line as last year.

This is where you and most Skins fans, along with me, differ. I just don't want to be subject to the same 4 guys again, only to find out midway through the season that we have no options for replacing them.

Golston will improve for sure, although he hasn't shown much to begin with.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by stu_nna

D line is next years project, trade up for Calvin Johnson since the DL prospects at #6 don't seem to be that good. Salvae, Griffin, Daniles, and Carter will have a better year, the secondary is better than last yr. and our new stud middle linebacker will hold things down for 07'. no we won't be in the top 10 defense, but Cambell and Johnson will be our future for the next 10 yrs...or stay at 6 and draft Landry either way the line aint gettin a overhaul this year

It always next years project to take the DL. You can always do it next year, every year. But until you ACTUALLY ADDRESS IT, you still have a problem.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Ya serious? Amobi or Branch don't seem that good?! Really now, has there been a "can't miss" DT prospect in recent years?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Ya serious? Amobi or Branch don't seem that good?! Really now, has there been a "can't miss" DT prospect in recent years?

Okoye is the best prospect since Tommie Harris. That's a 3 year wait for someone this good.

Stu, who's going to be better if we wait until next year?

Because if there is a prospect whos honest to god better than Okoye next year, why not take Okoye this year and that hypothetical player next year. Isn't that what Jacksonville did with Stroud and Henderson? I'd say they are sustaining their defense pretty well.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Well, I'd want to see some clarification on why just because Griffin had one BAD season much like he had a GOOD season two years ago, that all of a sudden he's crap. Everyone is so, "What have you done for me lately?"

I guess that's why you're the impatient optimist.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Well, I'd want to see some clarification on why just because Griffin had one BAD season much like he had a GOOD season two years ago, that all of a sudden he's crap. Everyone is so, "What have you done for me lately?"

I guess that's why you're the impatient optimist.

Unfortunately "what have you done for me lately" is the nature of pro sports today. Anyway, I'm not saying Griffin is done, although Salave'a might be. But the fact of the matter is Griff did have a bad year last year and he's 30 now, so it is an area where we can't afford to just stand pat. I do think Griff will have a better season this year, but I can't say that about Salave'a. And it's not really smart to rely on 2nd year players who were 5th and 7th round picks (Golston,Montgomery).

[MTK]

Griffin should bounce back. Joe S. is probably a backup at best now. Hopefully Daniels can bounce back a bit and we can squeeze another year outta him.

I don't see how we can stand pat with the current personnel on the DL. I don't think it's quite as bad of a situation as some seem to think, but we definitely need to inject some quality youth along the line.

I won't hate on the #6 pick at all if we come away with the likes of Adams or Okoye. If we go another route like safety or WR I'm going to be disappointed.