Eagles' cap goof

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by dmek25

the eagles always get the front office praise for cap management.

And they deserve it. They have a knack for putting good teams on the field.

If our front office made a 3 million dollar accounting error with our salary cap, it would catastrophic.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

And they deserve it. They have a knack for putting good teams on the field.

If our front office made a 3 million dollar accounting error with our salary cap, it would catastrophic.

I disagree. I am tired about hearing how Philly is a "premier" manager of the cap. They have won 0,NADA,NONE,ZIPPO,ZILCH Super Bowls. I think it is time for everyone to dispense with praising teams who supposedly manage the cap well but never seem to win the big one. Maybe they don't manage the cap so well. Maybe they just fit into the preconcieved notion of how to manage the cap. The preconceived notion that a team like say NE has disproven somewhat since they build their teams much more through FA than does Philly. And they have had a few more SBs wins than Philly.

At the end of the day who gives a flying frick if your team does a great job managing the cap if they can't win a SB?

Looks to me like Philly knows how to build a cheap team and coach them well enough to compete. Maybe if they gave Reid more tools they'd have won some SBs. So that's good cap management? Cap management is not independent of on field results.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I disagree. I am tired about hearing how Philly is a "premier" manager of the cap. They have won 0,NADA,NONE,ZIPPO,ZILCH Super Bowls. I think it is time for everyone to dispense with praising teams who supposedly manage the cap well but never seem to win the big one. Maybe they don't manage the cap so well. Maybe they just fit into the preconcieved notion of how to manage the cap. The preconceived notion that a team like say NE has disproven somewhat since they build their teams much more through FA than does Philly. And they have had a few more SBs wins than Philly.

At the end of the day who gives a flying frick if your team does a great job managing the cap if they can't win a SB?

Looks to me like Philly knows how to build a cheap team and coach them well enough to compete. Maybe if they gave Reid more tools they'd have won some SBs. So that's good cap management? Cap management is not independent of on field results.

I gotta strongly disagree here. Philly wins, and they seem to do it every year since Fat Andy got there. Even when McNabb is hurt they win most of the time. Hell, they swept us last year. Since the whole free agency/salary cap inception, they have been a much better team than the Redskins. They've been to 4 NFC Championships games and a Super Bowl since we've done squat. Matter of fact, over the past 6 years or so, they have been consistently the best team in the NFC (booooo). I know they've never won a Super Bowl and we have three, but we've only been to the playoffs twice since 1991, so we aren't exactly world beaters anymore. I'm not trying to bash the Skins, nor am I trying to suck up to the Eagles, I'm just looking at facts here. We have no business criticizing anyone's front office.

They ARE good at managing the cap. How come they field very good teams year in and year out without blowing their wad on overhyped, underachieving free agents?? They have solid coaching, a good front office, CHEMISTRY, and veteran leadership. Frankly I'm jealous of their success in recent years. We could learn from the way they run an organization, as much as it makes me sick to say so.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I disagree. I am tired about hearing how Philly is a "premier" manager of the cap. They have won 0,NADA,NONE,ZIPPO,ZILCH Super Bowls. I think it is time for everyone to dispense with praising teams who supposedly manage the cap well but never seem to win the big one. Maybe they don't manage the cap so well. Maybe they just fit into the preconcieved notion of how to manage the cap. The preconceived notion that a team like say NE has disproven somewhat since they build their teams much more through FA than does Philly. And they have had a few more SBs wins than Philly.

At the end of the day who gives a flying frick if your team does a great job managing the cap if they can't win a SB?

Looks to me like Philly knows how to build a cheap team and coach them well enough to compete. Maybe if they gave Reid more tools they'd have won some SBs. So that's good cap management? Cap management is not independent of on field results.

I suppose it depends on how you measure success. I'd call 12-4 a successful season no matter how the postseason turns out. If you measure failure by not winning the Super Bowl, you're going to be a perpetually crushed fan.

And certainly cap management doesn't always equal success -- not spending any money and refusing to pay players what they're worth might translate into a fantastic cap situtation. But you won't win anything.

As nauseating as it is to give credit to the Eagles as an organization, you can't be delusional about it -- they are winners. You can still be a winning franchise without the rings.

As I see it, there is greatness (Super Bowl champions), there are winners (the Eagles, Chargers) and there are losers.

Super Bowl wins are a measure of greatness. After that, you're either on the right track, or you're a complete loser. What best describes the Redskins in your mind?