Interesting mock draft

[offiss]

Sounds like something we would do, the stupidity that our front office personifies.

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Originally Posted by offiss

Sounds like something we would do, the stupidity that our front office personifies.

stupid???...we pick up an extra pick and end up with two players that fill needs

[offiss]

Originally Posted by AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace

stupid???...we pick up an extra pick and end up with two players that fill needs

Stupid for who we would take at those spots.

Everyone thinks all you have to do is draft a player at a position of need and you have filled that need, not so! Take a look at last off season, and we still have a need for a pass rusher, and a safety, why?

Draft the best available player, we have so many holes to fill because of our stupidity, it would be just like us to trade down get 2 players who are average at best, and the Pats walk away with a perenial pro-bowler. The question must be asked, if the Pats are indeed willing to make this trade, why? Why not keep the picks and draft these players themselves? The one team that has proven to may be the best team in the NFL at spotting talent, is willing to give up 2 #1 picks to draft Landry, why?

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Originally Posted by offiss

Stupid for who we would take at those spots.

Everyone thinks all you have to do is draft a player at a position of need and you have filled that need, not so! Take a look at last off season, and we still have a need for a pass rusher, and a safety, why?

Draft the best available player, we have so many holes to fill because of our stupidity, it would be just like us to trade down get 2 players who are average at best, and the Pats walk away with a perenial pro-bowler. The question must be asked, if the Pats are indeed willing to make this trade, why? Why not keep the picks and draft these players themselves? The one team that has proven to may be the best team in the NFL at spotting talent, is willing to give up 2 #1 picks to draft Landry, why?

So with a defensive line that needs a run stuffer and a pass rusher, why would it be stupid to take two first round talents to fill them as opposed to betting the ranch that one guy is going to make a difference?

How do you know that the Pats are going to pick Landry?

Since offensive and defensive success is predicated on line play, you can't honestly think the Redskins defense would be better off taking a rookie safety over two defensive linemen. If you do, you need one of Al Koken's virtual physicals.

Why do the Eagles only draft linemen with their first round picks year in and year out? Because it makes sense.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

So with a defensive line that needs a run stuffer and a pass rusher, why would it be stupid to take two first round talents to fill them as opposed to betting the ranch that one guy is going to make a difference?

How do you know that the Pats are going to pick Landry?

Since offensive and defensive success is predicated on line play, you can't honestly think the Redskins defense would be better off taking a rookie safety over two defensive linemen. If you do, you need one of Al Koken's virtual physicals.

Why do the Eagles only draft linemen with their first round picks year in and year out? Because it makes sense.

Well first off if you would pay attention they are not first round talent, they are second round talent, so it would be stupid to take them in the forst round, but of coarse that is are MO we over pay for talent.

Second if you would pay attention the article refering to this trade said they would probaly move up to take Landry to take over for Harrison.

But does it really matter who they move up and take? If they do move up it's because they see more value with 1 player than with 2!

Please don't compare our personel department with the eagles, as they will actually draft a player that belongs in the first round. But part of the reason they draft lineman is because of there ability to draft other players later in the draft, example Westbrook, we give up the farm for Portis, they take Westbrook later in the draft and he becomes every bit as valuable if not more to them for minimal $, then Portis is for us at 52 million. That is why they can draft lineman, we are not that savvy.

So in closing by all means draft these 2 guys just like we had to give up a #2 this draft for Rocky. Having a need and properly filling it are 2 totally differnet things.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by offiss

Everyone thinks all you have to do is draft a player at a position of need and you have filled that need, not so! Take a look at last off season, and we still have a need for a pass rusher, and a safety, why?

The Lions didn't NEED all those wide receivers, but their philosophy was to take the best players available. How'd that work out?

We have gaping holes with the pass rush and run stoppers up front. You think we should just ignore that and draft Adrian Peterson?

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

The Lions didn't NEED all those wide receivers, but their philosophy was to take the best players available. How'd that work out?

We have gaping holes with the pass rush and run stoppers up front. You think we should just ignore that and draft Adrian Peterson?

Did they take the best player available? OBVIOUSLY NOT!

They took big Mike Williams funny right before that draft we were conteplating taking him and I said he could be a huge bust he was to slow of foot getting off the line, funny they couldn't see it? So the fact is they have the right philosophy but have no idea how to impliment it because of thier inability to evaluate talent.

Why would we draft Peterson? Portis is better right?

But we should draft CJ if he's available, even though we are stocked at WR from last season's spending binge. CJ is a can't miss barring injury!

How did our pick of Rocky work out last draft? Apparently we still need a LB. And that's what this is about if you can't fill that need with a bonified stud [pro-bowler] at the 6 spot then fill another need!

I don't mind trading down, but we better trade down for the right players!

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by offiss

Did they take the best player available? OBVIOUSLY NOT!

They took big Mike Williams funny right before that draft we were conteplating taking him and I said he could be a huge bust he was to slow of foot getting off the line, funny they couldn't see it? So the fact is they have the right philosophy but have no idea how to impliment it because of thier inability to evaluate talent.

Why would we draft Peterson? Portis is better right?

But we should draft CJ if he's available, even though we are stocked at WR from last season's spending binge. CJ is a can't miss barring injury!

How did our pick of Rocky work out last draft? Apparently we still need a LB. And that's what this is about if you can't fill that need with a bonified stud [pro-bowler] at the 6 spot then fill another need!

I don't mind trading down, but we better trade down for the right players!

We don't know about Rocky yet, but in my opinion, it doesn't look promising. But your criticism of that pick can be used with the Mike Williams example -– you have to separate the philosophy of drafting for need from player evaluation.

A team can ignore their needs, draft what they perceive to be the best player available and still whiff on a player because their evaluation was wrong.

But what you clearly can't do is draft the best player available regardless of the makeup of your current roster – San Diego wouldn't draft a running back, Indy wouldn't make a huge swing for a quarterback, and neither would we when we have to consider the development of Jason Campbell, salary cap constraints, and the obvious understanding that there is only one ball to go around on every single play.

If your team is completely stocked, and you have no glaring needs at any one position, I could fully understand drafting the best guy on the board when you pick.

We have zero pass rush, and we could not stop the run last year. It would be madness for us to take Brady Quinn or Adrian Peterson because Quinn would never see the field, and Peterson would never see the ball.

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

We don't know about Rocky yet, but in my opinion, it doesn't look promising. But your criticism of that pick can be used with the Mike Williams example -– you have to separate the philosophy of drafting for need from player evaluation.

A team can ignore their needs, draft what they perceive to be the best player available and still whiff on a player because their evaluation was wrong.

But what you clearly can't do is draft the best player available regardless of the makeup of your current roster – San Diego wouldn't draft a running back, Indy wouldn't make a huge swing for a quarterback, and neither would we when we have to consider the development of Jason Campbell, salary cap constraints, and the obvious understanding that there is only one ball to go around on every single play.

If your team is completely stocked, and you have no glaring needs at any one position, I could fully understand drafting the best guy on the board when you pick.

We have zero pass rush, and we could not stop the run last year. It would be madness for us to take Brady Quinn or Adrian Peterson because Quinn would never see the field, and Peterson would never see the ball.

Of coarse, unless you use 1 of those players in a trade for need with someone else.

But to say there are no other players of need besides DL is also insane, and one of the reasons we have zero pass rush is why? Perhaps last season addressing of this very need in Carter? Obviously that hasen't worked out has it? I don't want the same problem next draft a revolving door of DL who don't pan out. we have to many holes and 1 legit draft pick, address 1 need? Or address 2 to 3 needs, tough call, I think we roll the dice trade down and get at least Moss and either Blalock or Grubbs, we are not winning the SB next season, so we allow Moss to develope for a year, who knows we may be able to grab another potential starter later in the draft there are some sleepers in this draft, especailly in the defensive backfield.